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  • #16
    Originally posted by VBGiantsFan View Post
    I think having a blood soaked suit that conspicuously disappeared puts him pretty damn close to the murder scene.

    If Ray truly knows what happened and refuses to tell the authorities or families, what do you think of him?
    That doesnt change anything...He was obviously there....If there was a altercation with a group of people,whos to say he did anything?
    Ive been in places where bad things have happend,doesnt mean ive ever done anything of that nature.....
    Lets say this, if your bestfriend since birth,maybe was involved in something like this...Are you going to testify & put someone away for life?
    Nobody knows what theyd do until theyre in that situation.......

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    • #17
      Originally posted by GameTime View Post
      witnessing a murder is not committing a murder. A civil suit involves monetary compensation and has nothing to do with a criminal case. The Two "friends" were aquitted of murder because of self defense. Ray Lewis actually was convicted of obstruction of justice and his "friends" werent convicted of anything. His plea saved their asses because he was "THE" witness. Was he there...yep.....was he part of it...no. Dod his friends kills two people yes they did. That was deciding in court. THEY killed in self defense.

      http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2013/0...-murder-trial/
      His plea didn’t “save” their asses. Ray, by his own admission wanted everyone to keep silent about the entire ordeal. Then, Ray decided to flip and took the obstruction of justice charge and the other defendents were found not guilty by self defense. The white suit was never recovered and the driver did in fact change his story in regard to Ray. It is obvious that Ray in taking the charge was more involved than some folks would like to admit.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
        You are entitled to your opinion. I'm sure you feel O.J. is a model citizen also.
        No, there was actual evidence the OJ commited murder....OJ wasnt at the scene of a fight after a nightclub with plenty of other drunk people to point fingers at...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
          No, there was actual evidence the OJ commited murder....OJ wasnt at the scene of a fight after a nightclub with plenty of other drunk people to point fingers at...
          Ok, Again. I really don't think Ray actually committed the murders. But in my opinion, that doesn't make his hands clean of the whole situation. He was there, and he def had something to do with a cover up. And he never did produce the clothes he was wearing. But then again we all just lose our clothes all the time.. I really, really, hope his last memory as a football player, is walking off the field, hanging his head, after a brutal SB loss, or of coarse I would settle for a dislocated hip as a result of his stupid entry dance.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
            Ok, Again. I really don't think Ray actually committed the murders. But in my opinion, that doesn't make his hands clean of the whole situation. He was there, and he def had something to do with a cover up. And he never did produce the clothes he was wearing. But then again we all just lose our clothes all the time.. I really, really, hope his last memory as a football player, is walking off the field, hanging his head, after a brutal SB loss, or of coarse I would settle for a dislocated hip as a result of his stupid entry dance.
            what cover up.....his two "friends" were charged with murder and found innocent due to self defense. He was convicted with obstruction of justice....
            The two guys did kill two people in self defense. Thats was decided in court.
            "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
            You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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            • #21
              Originally posted by GameTime View Post
              what cover up.....his two "friends" were charged with murder and found innocent due to self defense. He was convicted with obstruction of justice....
              The two guys did kill two people in self defense. Thats was decided in court.
              So I guess you find it completely normal that a group of guys including a proffesional football player, needed to uses knives to defend themselves against these two men. If it was honest self defense, why didn't they just all come forward from the beginning and call the police. Why wouldn't Lewis just provide the bloody suit to the police. And if they were completley innocent and just "defending" themselves, why would Ray Lewis give money to the families of the people that were attacking him and his friends, that they had to kill, in self defense. Do you smell that fish???
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              • #22
                Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                So I guess you find it completely normal that a group of guys including a proffesional football player, needed to uses knives to defend themselves against these two men. If it was honest self defense, why didn't they just all come forward from the beginning and call the police. Why wouldn't Lewis just provide the bloody suit to the police. And if they were completley innocent and just "defending" themselves, why would Ray Lewis give money to the families of the people that were attacking him and his friends, that they had to kill, in self defense. Do you smell that fish???
                That is based on the assumption that lewis and co actually had knives at all. Point is Lewis testified against the people he was with and THEY were found innocent.

                It is also based on the assumption that Lewis bloody coat ever even existed. Only people that said it existed couldn't be trusted.

                Point is if the victims were crazy or drunk enough to go up against a LB then I wouldn't be surprised if they'd mess with anyone else except this time that "someone else" happend to have a knife(prefferably after lewis entourage left).

                Paying off people means nothing. The families are still moarning so no money could hush them up so I don't see why they'd hush up cause of money THEN.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                  That is based on the assumption that lewis and co actually had knives at all. Point is Lewis testified against the people he was with and THEY were found innocent.

                  It is also based on the assumption that Lewis bloody coat ever even existed. Only people that said it existed couldn't be trusted.

                  Point is if the victims were crazy or drunk enough to go up against a LB then I wouldn't be surprised if they'd mess with anyone else except this time that "someone else" happend to have a knife(prefferably after lewis entourage left).

                  Paying off people means nothing. The families are still moarning so no money could hush them up so I don't see why they'd hush up cause of money THEN.
                  Wow! You really have your blinders on...
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                  • #24
                    LT was a better player and is a better person than ray

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                      Wow! You really have your blinders on...
                      Agreed, money will shut a lot of people up, especially those with not so much of it. Its also easy to claim self defense when those who were defended against are dead....

                      Look anyone is an idiot if they dont see some cover up here. Its just who he is that saved him. Look at Donte Stallworth- 30 days......

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by ShakeandBake View Post
                        LT was a better player and is a better person than ray
                        Better person?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by myles2424 View Post
                          Better person?
                          Yes better person, soliciting prostitution versus an involvement in a murder, really not that tough of a call.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by ShakeandBake View Post
                            Yes better person, soliciting prostitution versus an involvement in a murder, really not that tough of a call.
                            +1

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                              What LT did is WAY MORE heinous then a murder allegation. RL was not convicted. If you are convinced he murdered someone then thats your opnion.
                              Thats not what was decided in court. What he paid off was a civil suit not the criminal suit IIRC.

                              On the field. LT was better at his position then RL was at his. With that said RL is one of the top LBs to ever play the game for sure.
                              WAY MORE HEINOUS? Lets see.

                              LT had sex with a prostitue that lied about her age. LT did drugs. LT was trying to buy narcotics from a drug dealer and the drug dealer attempted to rob LT at gun point. LT beat the drug dealer, took his gun and took the guys drugs. LT paid escorts to go up to oppossing offensive linemens hotel rooms and have sex with them the night before a game. LT has owned up and admitted all these things. LT did some bad things but nothing real severe.

                              Ray Lewis attempted to cover up a killing that was committed by some of his friends or at least, this is the extent of the involvement in the incident that he admitted to for his plea deal. His friends were found “not guilty” due to self defense. One of the people that died due to the self defense was stabbed 3 times in the chest and five times in the liver. Ray Lewis paid money to the dead guys families. Original statements by the driver implicated Ray in the incident and the driver later changed his story. Ray Lewis was involved in the killing of 2 individuals. He was hanging out with knife weilding degenerates that got off in court. Ray Lewis has never owned up to his involvement nor has he ever produced the clothes he was wearing that night.

                              It is not even close in either regard. LT is The Greatest defensive player ever and we may never see another football player as Great as he was. LT although making many mistakes is a much better person off the field than Ray Lewis is.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                                WAY MORE HEINOUS? Lets see.

                                LT had sex with a prostitue that lied about her age. LT did drugs. LT was trying to buy narcotics from a drug dealer and the drug dealer attempted to rob LT at gun point. LT beat the drug dealer, took his gun and took the guys drugs. LT paid escorts to go up to oppossing offensive linemens hotel rooms and have sex with them the night before a game. LT has owned up and admitted all these things. LT did some bad things but nothing real severe.

                                Ray Lewis attempted to cover up a killing that was committed by some of his friends or at least, this is the extent of the involvement in the incident that he admitted to for his plea deal. His friends were found “not guilty” due to self defense. One of the people that died due to the self defense was stabbed 3 times in the chest and five times in the liver. Ray Lewis paid money to the dead guys families. Original statements by the driver implicated Ray in the incident and the driver later changed his story. Ray Lewis was involved in the killing of 2 individuals. He was hanging out with knife weilding degenerates that got off in court. Ray Lewis has never owned up to his involvement nor has he ever produced the clothes he was wearing that night.

                                It is not even close in either regard. LT is The Greatest defensive player ever and we may never see another football player as Great as he was. LT although making many mistakes is a much better person off the field than Ray Lewis is.
                                Completely agree. Now brace yourself for the naive "innocent until proven guilty" responses.
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