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  • #31
    Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
    WAY MORE HEINOUS? Lets see.

    LT had sex with a prostitue that lied about her age. LT did drugs. LT was trying to buy narcotics from a drug dealer and the drug dealer attempted to rob LT at gun point. LT beat the drug dealer, took his gun and took the guys drugs. LT paid escorts to go up to oppossing offensive linemens hotel rooms and have sex with them the night before a game. LT has owned up and admitted all these things. LT did some bad things but nothing real severe.
    So let me get this straight. Someone tried to rob LT at gun point and LT managed to beat them up, take the gun from them, and the drugs? Then he hooked his buddies up with escorts before a game? The only thing better than this is if he did it all in the same day.

    Lol all jokes aside, Judging people's lives based on past events which happened many years ago is pretty low, and has nothing to do with giants football. i could never judge someone i dont know especially if i have never met them. Thats just not me. But i am curious. what do you guys consider good off of the field? What types of things should a person do off of the field to be considered a good person? Who are some good off of the field players?
    Last edited by Marvelousmik; 01-30-2013, 05:41 AM.
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    • #32
      Big difference between LT and Ray Lewis.

      LT always fessed up to his failings as a human being.

      Ray Lewis never did and never will.

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      • #33
        Here's a hypothetical question: If the Giants had never made it to the super bowl in 2000 (let's say they lost a game vs philly for example), would all these people be so butthurt about Lewis?

        I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
          Here's a hypothetical question: If the Giants had never made it to the super bowl in 2000 (let's say they lost a game vs philly for example), would all these people be so butthurt about Lewis?
          For me it has nothing to do with SB35. If Ray wasn't on the Ravens I would be pulling hard for them right now.
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
            Here's a hypothetical question: If the Giants had never made it to the super bowl in 2000 (let's say they lost a game vs philly for example), would all these people be so butthurt about Lewis?
            I don't think any Giants fan has a vested interest in the Carolina Panthers and I'm sure we can all agree Ray Carruth is scum. The fact Lewis was on the Ravens in 2000 against the Giants has nothing to do with comparing his on field play and personal life to LT, who is our great LB and social pariah.

            To call people "butt hurt" about Lewis because we don't think highly of a man involved in a murder is ignorant.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by VBGiantsFan View Post
              On the field, Ray Lewis is arguably the greatest LB of this generation. Likewise, LT IS the greatest of his generation, maybe of all time. However, they do play different positions. Lewis is also going for his second Superpbowl, possibly tying LT. On the field, who is/was more important to their team? Is LT's play too much for Lewis to overcome or does Lewis's leadership prove him to be more valuable on a possibly let talented team?

              Off the field, Lewis has changed his image into a humble and spiritual leader for his community. However, it is not in the distant past he was up for murder charges, paying off families of victims, and lets not forget (thank you Mrs. Welker) his 5 kids and 4 wives. That is hardly the resume of a role model.

              Off the field, LT is linked heavily to drugs, prison, and more recently, sex with a minor and prostitution. While he has not shown to have too many redeeming qualities or even attempted to rehabilitate his image like Lewis has, it is hard to look past the fact that drugs and prostitution is nowhere near as heinous as murder.

              So, what is everyone's opinions of Lewis vs. LT on and off the field?
              LT was more dominant than Ray Lewis on the field....period end of discussion.
              As human beings off the field, neither one is worth a plug nickel....I don't care how many times Lewis invokes the name of the lord.
              Apparently, Lewis skipped over the parts of the good book where it talks about vanity being a sin. He's more snake oil salesman than preacher, and his blatant self promotion borders on obscene!
              Lewis is more Elmer Gantry than Billy Graham.
              "I'M ALL FOR IT!"

              John McKay, HC of the 1976 winless TB Buccaneers, when asked by a reporter, how McKay felt, about the execution of his offense.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                What LT did is WAY MORE heinous then a murder allegation. RL was not convicted. If you are convinced he murdered someone then thats your opnion.
                Thats not what was decided in court. What he paid off was a civil suit not the criminal suit IIRC.

                On the field. LT was better at his position then RL was at his. With that said RL is one of the top LBs to ever play the game for sure.
                Sleeping with a hooker is more heinous than being a suspected murderer or an accomplice to murder?

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                  Sleeping with a hooker is more heinous than being a suspected murderer or an accomplice to murder?
                  Depends if he was guilty of not.
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                    Sleeping with a hooker is more heinous than being a suspected murderer or an accomplice to murder?
                    If that hooker is my daughter, yes. I'll have to actually face the reality of how horrible a parent I am.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                      If that hooker is my daughter, yes. I'll have to actually face the reality of how horrible a parent I am.
                      Can you imagine the reality of the parents of the victims feel? Their children were taking away viciously and the perpetrators are walking around enjoying life because in the courts eyes they defended themselves.

                      Giants fan since the early 80s

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                      • #41
                        LT is the best player to ever play the position of Linebacker. Shall you have a differeing opinion, I suggest you gtfo off the Giants Messgae Baords.

                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBH9OOQgXsc

                        go watch. LT his rookie year just single handedly take over the game.

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                        • #42
                          2 SB rings, 8 first team all pro, 133 sacks+** , 9 pro bowls.

                          This guy was mean. and fast and big and could dictate to any offense what was going on. He demanded double team, triple team. His name was Lawrence Taylor, not ray lewis. I dont wanna hear any crap about how Ray is "the best defensive player to ever stop on the gridiron" its crap. LT was more athletic, didnt take roids, and didnt have his hand in a double murder. There so much more I want to say but its annoying to type it all. I hate some of you...

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by ny06 View Post
                            Can you imagine the reality of the parents of the victims feel? Their children were taking away viciously and the perpetrators are walking around enjoying life because in the courts eyes they defended themselves.
                            I was actually making a joke but I agree with you and Dezz. No amount of money or anything else in the world could ever help me get over that feeling of the loss of a loved one like that.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                              So let me get this straight. Someone tried to rob LT at gun point and LT managed to beat them up, take the gun from them, and the drugs? Then he hooked his buddies up with escorts before a game? The only thing better than this is if he did it all in the same day.

                              Lol all jokes aside, Judging people's lives based on past events which happened many years ago is pretty low, and has nothing to do with giants football. i could never judge someone i dont know especially if i have never met them. Thats just not me. But i am curious. what do you guys consider good off of the field? What types of things should a person do off of the field to be considered a good person? Who are some good off of the field players?

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                              • #45
                                So is thread about football or did I stumble into the GiantsTMZ forum?

                                Personally, don't give a rats *** about what these guys have done off the field. They'll be judged in whatever way follows suit. Now speaking of their football careers:

                                Like many have already noted, LT is perhaps the greatest defensive player to play the game. Period. He was a force that had to be accounted for every snap. Offenses had to change because of LT. They just didn't change a play or decide not run his way, they had to change the way they operated in order to have a chance to be successful.

                                Lewis on the other hand, he's up there in the discussion as one of the best inside linebackers to play the game, but that's it. That's nothing to sneeze at and in no way am I discounting that he will go down as being one of the greats, but there's a huge difference in how opposing teams prepared and entered the game when having to play these two.
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