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  • #16
    Originally posted by brad View Post
    That is what the Eagles thought with Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Nnamdi Asomugha... In theory, it sounds great, but the reality is that teams will attack your weakest area and do their best to negate your strength. You also run the risk of putting all of your money, and scheme, into a few players. What happens if one of those gets injured. Now your back to one great CB and still have lousy LBs... only now your safeties aren't able to come up and help.
    Turns out, the eagles weakest area is in fact Nnamdi and Cromartie. Oops

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    • #17
      Originally posted by brad View Post
      That is what the Eagles thought with Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Nnamdi Asomugha... In theory, it sounds great, but the reality is that teams will attack your weakest area and do their best to negate your strength. You also run the risk of putting all of your money, and scheme, into a few players. What happens if one of those gets injured. Now your back to one great CB and still have lousy LBs... only now your safeties aren't able to come up and help.
      No offensive or defensive scheme works without strngth in the trenches, plain and simple. CB's are like WR's in that you don't build a team around them.
      No one remembers who came in second.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by brad View Post
        That is what the Eagles thought with Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Nnamdi Asomugha... In theory, it sounds great, but the reality is that teams will attack your weakest area and do their best to negate your strength. You also run the risk of putting all of your money, and scheme, into a few players. What happens if one of those gets injured. Now your back to one great CB and still have lousy LBs... only now your safeties aren't able to come up and help.
        Look, in life, there are different scenereos. You said if we have two shut down cbs, then the other teams will target our weakness. I wonder why you think that just cause you have two shut down cbs that our whole defense will be weak all of the time? This is real life and you have to look at football that way. Don't forget you can find late gems in the late rounds. Life is in real time and you think that just cause we have two shut down guys, they will be making big money right away? Cruz the wr was not making a lot of money in 011 and 012 so that gets rid of your theory. Yet you could be right though cause what you have said is one of the things that could happen in life.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Diamondring View Post
          Look, in life, there are different scenereos. You said if we have two shut down cbs, then the other teams will target our weakness. I wonder why you think that just cause you have two shut down cbs that our whole defense will be weak all of the time? This is real life and you have to look at football that way. Don't forget you can find late gems in the late rounds. Life is in real time and you think that just cause we have two shut down guys, they will be making big money right away? Cruz the wr was not making a lot of money in 011 and 012 so that gets rid of your theory. Yet you could be right though cause what you have said is one of the things that could happen in life.
          My assumption was that this thread was suggesting going out and signing a high priced FA corner. When you use a large part of your cap space for one guy that means you can't use it somewhere else. Always look at all the possibilities and the opportunity cost associated with each. When I look at the possibility of signing 2 shutdown corners, I see a cost that doesn't bring enough return. The cost isn't just the salary associated with that player, but the inability to sign other players in key areas that are far more concerning than the secondary. For example the O-line with 3 of the better linemen looking to get new contracts and an LB corp that is easily the weakest unit on that defense.

          The draft is a crap shoot, you can't base your entire defensive philosophy on the off-chance that you will get lucky enough to find a gem like that. It would be awesome if they do, but players like Cruz don't come around very often without being noticed by at least one of the other 32 teams that are also looking for that gem. But, if it should happen... I absolutely approve of getting a shut down corner in the later rounds of the draft! While they are at it, they should also grab a stud MLB...
          My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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          • #20
            Imagine if we had a pass rush? It would make life much easier in case you don't have 2 shutdown CBs.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by river555 View Post
              Imagine if we had a pass rush? It would make life much easier in case you don't have 2 shutdown CBs.
              Hey, I've seen the Giants have a good pass rush but the qb still was able to get rid of the ball at the right time especialy when Strahan was the only one on the line.

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              • #22
                having 2 shut down corners would mean that we wouldn't be able to sigh them both next year and we'd be looking for another corner...what we really need is a DT who can pressure from the middle to take away the pocket so the QB can't step up to throw and avoid the rush from the ends, if we had that guy it would help our defense tremendously..
                Last edited by JesseJames; 02-02-2013, 05:58 PM.

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                • #23
                  Imagine if we had a DC that knew how to use his personell instead trying to jam round pegs into square holes. Webby is fine when allowed to play physical at the line. Nmandi looked like crap when Philly screwed him up scheme wise.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BlueBlooded1979 View Post
                    Imagine if we had a DC that knew how to use his personell instead trying to jam round pegs into square holes. Webby is fine when allowed to play physical at the line. Nmandi looked like crap when Philly screwed him up scheme wise.
                    Um. http://www.packers.com/media-center/...a-1c2300b2e5f6


                    And Nnamdi has been in decline for years

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by JesseJames View Post
                      having 2 shut down corners would mean that we wouldn't be able to sigh them both next year and we'd be looking for another corner...what we really need is a DT who can pressure from the middle to take away the pocket so the QB can't step up to throw and avoid the rush from the ends, if we had that guy it would help our defense tremendously..
                      Not true. We have about 4 D-linmen making a lot of money and the Giants had them for some time. If we can have them then we can have two shut down cbs.
                      Last edited by Diamondring; 02-03-2013, 03:00 AM.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Diamondring View Post
                        Not true. We have about 4 D-linmen making a lot of money and the Giants had them for some time. If we can have them then we can have two shut down cbs.
                        what you've just said makes no sense in reference to to my post...

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                        • #27
                          I wouldn't mind another cb ...... But I'm not accepting the fact that Webster is completely done.... Lets remember just before this season he was awesome and most of always *****ed how he didn't get the recognition he deserved


                          He regressed but maybe some if it could be due to his broken hand and didn't he have a nagging hamstring all season ?


                          Idk I think I'll give him this year and see from there

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                          • #28
                            It would be nice to have two shut down corners but if you've got great pass rushers then it's more important to have good linebackers to help prevent the short pass. By forcing teams to go for the longer routes by WR's it gives our d-line more time to get to the QB. Right now they can pass underneath on our slow LB's all day long and run right up the middle creating 2nd/3rd and shorts too often.

                            We need to get better at LB first and foremost the more I think about it. I'm hoping Hosley can take a step forward in training camp or we can come up with a great slot corner. Would be pretty nice if TT could make a comeback and be our slot CB. Even if Webster is here next season he won't be after that unless he turns it around in a big way. Then again guys in contract years just seem to come up big so who knows...

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              Um. http://www.packers.com/media-center/...a-1c2300b2e5f6


                              And Nnamdi has been in decline for years
                              Looking at that play, something seems to be missing... like a safety? Shouldn't there have been someone over the top on that or did they really put Webby alone on an island with Nelson? I think just about every Giants fan could tell you that Webby isn't good enough to win that battle one on one, I would hope that PF would know that as well!

                              This is either a great example of a coach putting a player in a position to fail by not understanding their limits, or a great example of how confused that defense is half the time.
                              My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by brad View Post
                                Looking at that play, something seems to be missing... like a safety? Shouldn't there have been someone over the top on that or did they really put Webby alone on an island with Nelson? I think just about every Giants fan could tell you that Webby isn't good enough to win that battle one on one, I would hope that PF would know that as well!

                                This is either a great example of a coach putting a player in a position to fail by not understanding their limits, or a great example of how confused that defense is half the time.
                                Nothing to do with confusion. Webster had brutally bad technique on that play, like he does on a lot of the plays he gives up.

                                It just amuses me that people blame Fewell no matter what, first its webster is great when he can press.... So they let him press here and he gets beat for a 73 yard TD. Now its webster cant be one on one with anyone without a safety.

                                So why even play him then? He makes 9 mil a year and cant cover anyone?

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