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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Ben's not a running QB but he certainly is a mobile QB.
    And you have to let go of this "Ben should be in prison" rap. You weren't there and you have no idea what did or didn't happen.
    He is slow, but he does have adequate "vision" that allows him to slide outside the pocket. That is not really my definition of a mobile QB. RGIII, Kapernick, Vick, Ect.... are mobile QBs. As for the other, I subscribe to the "where there is smoke, there is fire". How many young girls made similar accusations? Just goes to prove money and fame will sometimes get you out of trouble. (my opinion)

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    • Originally posted by rebelfan1966 View Post
      He is slow, but he does have adequate "vision" that allows him to slide outside the pocket. That is not really my definition of a mobile QB. RGIII, Kapernick, Vick, Ect.... are mobile QBs. As for the other, I subscribe to the "where there is smoke, there is fire". How many young girls made similar accusations? Just goes to prove money and fame will sometimes get you out of trouble. (my opinion)
      I have no idea what happened in the incident several years ago. But you and I know that there are many unfortunate souls out there who try to trap pro athletes. Again, I have no idea what happened (nor do you) and guys who are out partying are far more likely to have to deal with this, but its definitely a trend in the world of pro athletes.
      You are taking huge leaps and assumptions with Ben. Don't know why.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
        I have no idea what happened in the incident several years ago. But you and I know that there are many unfortunate souls out there who try to trap pro athletes. Again, I have no idea what happened (nor do you) and guys who are out partying are far more likely to have to deal with this, but its definitely a trend in the world of pro athletes.
        You are taking huge leaps and assumptions with Ben. Don't know why.
        c'mon now really?
        http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
        http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

        Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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        • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
          c'mon now really?
          I'm not going to argue this thing again.
          My point here was a response to the blanket statement made that "Ben should be in prison". Rebelfan has a problem with Ben and that statement is a HUGE leap.
          Oh and by the way, completely irrelevant to this thread topic.
          So I called him on it.
          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
            I'm not going to argue this thing again.
            My point here was a response to the blanket statement made that "Ben should be in prison". Rebelfan has a problem with Ben and that statement is a HUGE leap.
            Oh and by the way, completely irrelevant to this thread topic.
            So I called him on it.
            The OP introduced Ben to the conversation. I just pointed out I don't think he is a mobile QB, least wise how I define a mobile QB. The other part of my assesment just comes from a football fan who is tired of seeing unethical players get away with murder. Whenever someone idolizes this person, I feel I must point out his one huge flaw. Ben put himself into that category of players when he decided to go to a bar full of drunk, barely legal (maybe), girls.... and escort one to the bathroom while his goons guarded the door. If he was any kind of person, he would not have been there with those young girls to start with... but since he was, he should have been responsible enought to have kept his pants zipped. The right thing to have done is bought the girl a cab ride home, not take advantage of an unfortunate situation. Of course, maybe you feel otherwise, and that is your perogative. I don't see any difference in taking advantage of a drunk girl thank slipping her a drug in her drink. I just know if the young lady had been one of my daughters..... By the way, he never denied what happened in the bathroom. He just said it was consentual.... again, what a jerk for taking advantage of a drunk, younger, girl. OK... I will let this one go, I know he is your hero.

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            • Originally posted by rebelfan1966 View Post
              The OP introduced Ben to the conversation. I just pointed out I don't think he is a mobile QB, least wise how I define a mobile QB. The other part of my assesment just comes from a football fan who is tired of seeing unethical players get away with murder. Whenever someone idolizes this person, I feel I must point out his one huge flaw. Ben put himself into that category of players when he decided to go to a bar full of drunk, barely legal (maybe), girls.... and escort one to the bathroom while his goons guarded the door. If he was any kind of person, he would not have been there with those young girls to start with... but since he was, he should have been responsible enought to have kept his pants zipped. The right thing to have done is bought the girl a cab ride home, not take advantage of an unfortunate situation. Of course, maybe you feel otherwise, and that is your perogative. I don't see any difference in taking advantage of a drunk girl thank slipping her a drug in her drink. I just know if the young lady had been one of my daughters..... By the way, he never denied what happened in the bathroom. He just said it was consentual.... again, what a jerk for taking advantage of a drunk, younger, girl. OK... I will let this one go, I know he is your hero.
              I have no affection for Ben Roethlisberger. I like him as a QB and thats it. I think he can play.
              All these pro athletes are often self important dopes who think they are entitled to anything they want. Unfortunately, there are women out there who are perfectly willing to give it to them. I assume that Ben is just another example of that.
              And I'm sure your daughters would never find themselves in that situation. I know my daughters (and I have 3) wouldn't as well.

              The bottom line is that I don't want to know what these guys do in their private lives. Just go play.

              Getting back to football, Ben is very mobile in the pocket and behind the LOS in general. What he does is what most great QB's do. They move to create time and are constantly looking downfield to find the open guy. He doesn't just look once and tuck it and run.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                its obvious the hybrid guys who are a true double threat like RG3,Kapernick Big ben, Flacco . these guys are not scramblers but true hybrid beings using todays modern technology to win Superbowls.

                we can't get stuck in a stone aged old fashion one way to skin a cat thinking process.

                Flacco?....He's a statue....gimme a statue over a hybrid anytime....

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                • Regular season is not about winning the Superbowl as much as being able to get into the playoffs first.
                  Teams will run their mobile QBs, read option offense, because that's going to be effective in winning a game and getting a W against a team with a mediocre LB core. The perennial playoff losing teams will never pity teams that don't get into the playoffs, deserving or not.

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                  • Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
                    When's the last time a truly mobile QB won a SB? I'm not just talking a scrambler like Rodgers, I mean a full on QB that is not afraid to run...
                    If u say Steve Young then u have to include Rodgers he runs just as much as he did

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