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  • #16
    Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
    I miss you when you mention Big Ben and Flacco. In no way shape or form this 4 are in the same category. Respectfully I disagree. How can you compare RG3, Kap vs. Ben and Flacco ? That's just plain wrong. In fact you are contradicting yourself. Flacco and Ben are mobile in the pocket kind of QB but are " true " pocket QBs. RG and Kap ? Just the opposite. Ben and Flacco and for that matter Eli have won multiple SB and the mobile hybrid QB haven't won since Steve Young won just one lousy SB ? I don't get it.
    "hybrid" is how define ben and flacco. not just "truepocket passers. " and also kap and rg3 are not "true running QB's "

    like i said many of you are stuck in the 90's 00's

    and yes pocket passers have won more SB's then 2 rookies. lol

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    • #17
      The wildcat is the future!!

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Harooni View Post
        "hybrid" is how define ben and flacco. not just "truepocket passers. " and also kap and rg3 are not "true running QB's "

        like i said many of you are stuck in the 90's 00's

        and yes pocket passers have won more SB's then 2 rookies. lol
        Two rookies and Steve Young and Frank Tarkenton and Michael Vick and the list goes on and on.
        Dont kid yourselve bro, Flacco and Ben are pocket QB any way you spin it around. RG3 and Kap are read-option QB. Can this kids have success in the near future? maybe but until they don't win and win consistency there is no room for discussion.
        You do realize how hard is to run the option when your QB gets older and slower, right. How many years do you think they can keep running this kind of O? You do realize the danger this QBs face every week ? Just ask Michael Vick and RG3. But if your definition of " hybrid " is more athletic and mobile then yes I don't have any beef against that.
        " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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        • #19
          Yes, Kaepernick can run fast and throw far. Today his throwing ability lost the game for the 9ers. (Good). He was well off the mark for a lot of the game. His feet helped the team, no doubt, but his feet could not make up for his throwing errors. You have to remember, speed is growing on defense as well as at QB. The Ravens have a very slow linebacking corps. Fast linebackers are growing in number as well. To even mention Rothlisberger in the same sentence as other "mobile" QBs is off the mark IMO. He is so maimed he can barely walk anymore. Flaco can advance the ball if he has to, but they rarely design run plays for him. You may see Griffin be more like Flaco after his 1st year of injuries as well. Kaepernick is just the latest media doll. He made a big splash playing 1/2 a season and attracting the inked up crowd and the Maynard G Krebs goatee fans. Before we go crapping our pants over these rookies, let's see if they can put a couple winning seasons together. How's Cam Newton and Carolina doing? It takes a lot more than a fast QB to sustain a winning franchise.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Harooni View Post
            "hybrid" is how define ben and flacco. not just "truepocket passers. " and also kap and rg3 are not "true running QB's "

            like i said many of you are stuck in the 90's 00's

            and yes pocket passers have won more SB's then 2 rookies. lol
            ...Both have a place. Always have and always will. Just because one type wins a SB one year doesn't make it a "trend" that others must follow.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RagTime Blue View Post
              I'd just like to see the Giants take the backup QB job as a real concern. I don't think it would be THAT hard to find a rookie who can outplay Carr at this point. It would take an effort on the Giants' behalf, but it could be done.
              We did that a few years ago, can't remember their names at the moment, but in between Lorenzen and Carr we had 3 or 4 QB projects and they're all gone now, aren't they?
              Last edited by SweetZombieJesus; 02-04-2013, 08:30 AM.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                thats cold. but the guy like kapernick can flat out pass the ball on target. lets not forget his 4 ints last season.
                I agree in prnciple, but teams have to put a short leash on these QB's who are great passers and can run. Vick is a shell of what he cold have been, RG III is dealing with yet another ACL/LCL problem and MAY be ready for the regular season. That will reduce his future asking price. Common sense needs to apply or the QB who prefers to run isn't gong to be any more effective than the once dreaded wildcat
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                • #23
                  How about getting a black QB first?
                  Good teams win games, Great teams cover the spread!

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                  • #24
                    Guys like Kaep will eventually win the SB. More and more of these mobile types continue to come out of college and it'll only be a matter of time. Colin did a fine (not great) job in the SB and if you're being honest with yourself, the 49ers "world class" defense should get the lion's share of the blame. Wasn't this supposed to be the best defense in the NFL?

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                    • #25
                      It does seem the game is changing but what happens when these guys get banged up? As we see more and more mobile QB's we will also see more and more of them get banged up.

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                      • #26
                        Still, the quickest way to get the ball downfield is through the air.

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                        • #27
                          It WAS the pocket passer who won the SB.
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            It WAS the pocket passer who won the SB.
                            Yeah I'm not sure what Harooni saw last night from Flacco to call him a hybrid. You would have to be a threat to pick up good yardage with your legs to be deemed that. Ultimately though, none of this was the reason the 49ers lost or the Ravens won. One team was just more prepared to handle the spotlight and that experience paid off in the end.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                              Yeah I'm not sure what Harooni saw last night from Flacco to call him a hybrid. You would have to be a threat to pick up good yardage with your legs to be deemed that. Ultimately though, none of this was the reason the 49ers lost or the Ravens won. One team was just more prepared to handle the spotlight and that experience paid off in the end.
                              Flacco can move though.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                                Flacco can move though.
                                Compared to Eli, everyone can move. I wouldn't say avoiding pass rushers behind the LoS makes one a hybrid QB.

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