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  • #46
    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    I thought both QB's played very well. The only difference (and what probably cost SF the game) was Kaepernick's inexperience.I mean the kid had 9 starts going into that game. That's a huge stage for a kid with that amount of experience. He played great but the time management was horrible at the end.
    Both played well but Flacco was making some great throws last night. He had a bunch of throws that where so perfect or they would have been intercepted.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
      Did the defense play bad or was the QB play very good? Or both?
      Honestly...the rules are making it more and more difficult to play defense in this league.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
        Did the defense play bad or was the QB play very good? Or both?
        It was obvious from the first series that Kaep needed time to warm up and that he wasn't going to start on fire. In a physical game like this with good defenses (Yes, the Ravens D was good this postseason). the 49ers D with more talent and experience compared to their offense failed to contain the Ravens offense in the 1st half. No reason that a unit with that kind of front 7 and a decent (not great though) secondary should have surrendered 21 points that early. Obviously didn't help that the Ravens ST won too.

        So yes Flacco played well but the 49ers defense did worse than most of the world expected.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          They have shown us plenty. To deny this or to place the standard that they "have to win a SB" is ridiculous.
          Right now. SF, Seattle and Washington (with a healthy RG) have better offenses than ours.
          The only thing that hurt Kaepernick and SF last night was his inexperience. Other than that, he was lights out.
          The SB is my standard. And another pocket passer won the SB this year. I'll take a pocket passer with some mobility over a scrambling QB any day of the week.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by EliDaMANning View Post
            The SB is my standard. And another pocket passer won the SB this year. I'll take a pocket passer with some mobility over a scrambling QB any day of the week.
            Well that's a ridiculous standard.
            If the Seahawks had adopted that standard they wouldn't have drafted Russell Wilson. The game is changing. There is now more than one way to skin a cat in the NFL.
            Mobile QB's, even running QB's can win in this league. All this means is that both can be successful.
            If NFL GM's need a "SB win" to identify legitimate trends (like you suggest) the league would be stuck in a world of "3 yards and a cloud of dust".
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              It WAS the pocket passer who won the SB.
              +1
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #53
                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                +1
                As I said before, what this season has demonstrated is that you can now win with a running style QB, but the pocket style passer is still the predominant method.
                Its hardly the wave of the future. But it is a legitimate way to run an offense. (with the right guy) And by the right guy, I mean a guy who can throw the ball effectively from the pocket.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • #54
                  Meh.

                  who would we consider the 'mobile' QBs in nfl right now? Vick, cam, kap, rgIII, jackson. am i missing anyone?

                  Vick is damanged goods, both mentally and physicall.

                  cam is good, but far from great.

                  Kap looks great, but so did cam and vick early on.

                  RGIII is great right now, but already had a knee injury after his rookie season to recover from.

                  Jackson looks very good but its his first season as well.

                  there's definitely more of them coming out into the league, but i question if that style of play is realistic in the modern NFL.

                  i mean, its hard enough keeping a pocket passing QB healthy, i don't know if you can both run the ball great and throw the ball great, keep a 2 to 1 ratio pass/rush production, and stay healthy.

                  and we'll see if the league changes rules to encourage this kind of QB play or not.

                  but for the time being, it think the jury is out about how effective this style of play will be long term.
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                  • #55
                    Originally posted by CDN_G-FAN View Post
                    Meh.

                    who would we consider the 'mobile' QBs in nfl right now? Vick, cam, kap, rgIII, jackson. am i missing anyone?

                    Vick is damanged goods, both mentally and physicall.

                    cam is good, but far from great.

                    Kap looks great, but so did cam and vick early on.

                    RGIII is great right now, but already had a knee injury after his rookie season to recover from.

                    Jackson looks very good but its his first season as well.

                    there's definitely more of them coming out into the league, but i question if that style of play is realistic in the modern NFL.

                    i mean, its hard enough keeping a pocket passing QB healthy, i don't know if you can both run the ball great and throw the ball great, keep a 2 to 1 ratio pass/rush production, and stay healthy.

                    and we'll see if the league changes rules to encourage this kind of QB play or not.

                    but for the time being, it think the jury is out about how effective this style of play will be long term.
                    Agreed. Another good example as to why these "hybrid" qbs arent the future was the throw from Flacco to Jones. Once the pocket started collapsing, Flacco moved forward to escape the pressure, kept his eyes glued down field and hit Jones for a huge play and the td. A mobile QB usually scramble at the first sign of the pocket collapsing. Not something you always want in a QB.

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                    • #56
                      Originally posted by TheBookOfEli View Post
                      That style nearly won the 9ers a Superbowl. I wouldn't mind looking into a QB of that stature in the next 4-5 years to replace Eli down the road.
                      You show me ONE of these so called double threats who have won a SuperBowl and I'll give it a second thought, until the day that happens get real.
                      Long term: LUCK >>>>>>>>> all double threat QB's

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                      • #57
                        Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                        its obvious the hybrid guys who are a true double threat like RG3,Kapernick Big ben, Flacco . these guys are not scramblers but true hybrid beings using todays modern technology to win Superbowls.

                        we can't get stuck in a stone aged old fashion one way to skin a cat thinking process.
                        You get distracted by every shiny object that crosses your path, don't you?

                        While only a fool would discount the successes of mobile QB's this year*, it's at best a cautionary tale: It's a violent game, and you can't put the heart of your team in harms way without taking a significant chance it doesn't end well. Ask a Skins fan.


                        And when did speed become "technology"?






                        *How you jammed Ben and Flacco into that group I'll never know.
                        eli acted a little spoiled , he isnt a team player. he cares about his career only as he did during the 2004 draft. he did not mentor webb …Harooni

                        i have to look it up i think a few starting qb's have sat out a few games once eliminated…Harooni

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                        • #58
                          Originally posted by TrickAssP View Post
                          You show me ONE of these so called double threats who have won a SuperBowl and I'll give it a second thought, until the day that happens get real.
                          Long term: LUCK >>>>>>>>> all double threat QB's
                          Wow!
                          What a ridiculous post. Congrats!
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • #59
                            Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
                            You get distracted by every shiny object that crosses your path, don't you?

                            While only a fool would discount the successes of mobile QB's this year*, it's at best a cautionary tale: It's a violent game, and you can't put the heart of your team in harms way without taking a significant chance it doesn't end well. Ask a Skins fan.


                            And when did speed become "technology"?






                            *How you jammed Ben and Flacco into that group I'll never know.
                            I think ultimately no matter what, an NFL QB must be able to throw the ball well from the pocket. We have seen that from both Wilson and Kaepernick. We have not really seen that yet with RG III.
                            So when we talk about running QB's, we have to be talking about guys who enhance their threats with the ability to run the ball. Not as a replacement of the ability to be efficient pocket passers.

                            When players come along who have both these attributes, they are to be taken very seriously. These posters who dismiss this ability since they haven't yet won a SB is so short sighted its to be dismissed out of hand.
                            Because in one sense we HAVE seen it. We've seen Steve Young, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers win SB's. the threat to tuck the ball and run and pick up yards in the NFL is well documented and affirmed with championship success.

                            But as I said, in order for them to be successful, they must be able to pass from the pocket well.
                            That's what we saw with Kaepernick last night.
                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • #60
                              Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                              I think ultimately no matter what, an NFL QB must be able to throw the ball well from the pocket. We have seen that from both Wilson and Kaepernick. We have not really seen that yet with RG III.
                              So when we talk about running QB's, we have to be talking about guys who enhance their threats with the ability to run the ball. Not as a replacement of the ability to be efficient pocket passers.

                              When players come along who have both these attributes, they are to be taken very seriously. These posters who dismiss this ability since they haven't yet won a SB is so short sighted its to be dismissed out of hand.
                              Because in one sense we HAVE seen it. We've seen Steve Young, Ben Roethlisberger and Aaron Rodgers win SB's. the threat to tuck the ball and run and pick up yards in the NFL is well documented and affirmed with championship success.

                              But as I said, in order for them to be successful, they must be able to pass from the pocket well.
                              That's what we saw with Kaepernick last night.
                              One of the QB's was gonna be on the losing team, but there is a big difference between saying a guy lost and a guy had a bad game.

                              Kap looked great in the pocket and great on the move; just ended up on the wrong side of the equation.
                              eli acted a little spoiled , he isnt a team player. he cares about his career only as he did during the 2004 draft. he did not mentor webb …Harooni

                              i have to look it up i think a few starting qb's have sat out a few games once eliminated…Harooni

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