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  • #61
    Originally posted by Delicreep View Post
    One of the QB's was gonna be on the losing team, but there is a big difference between saying a guy lost and a guy had a bad game.

    Kap looked great in the pocket and great on the move; just ended up on the wrong side of the equation.
    That's my point.
    For some posters to say that if a guy can run the ball, he can't win a SB, is silly. They seem to think that running ability is a substitute for the ability to throw the ball. Well Kaepernick proved that he can do both. And Wilson has as well.
    These guys are scary to defend.
    As I said before, the only think that kept SF from being the champs was Kaepernick's inexperience, because the kid can flat play.
    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      Well that's a ridiculous standard.
      If the Seahawks had adopted that standard they wouldn't have drafted Russell Wilson. The game is changing. There is now more than one way to skin a cat in the NFL.
      Mobile QB's, even running QB's can win in this league. All this means is that both can be successful.
      If NFL GM's need a "SB win" to identify legitimate trends (like you suggest) the league would be stuck in a world of "3 yards and a cloud of dust".
      If the standard in the NFL is to win a SB then how is that ridiculous? Maybe Seattle wants to use Wilson more in the pocket like they already showed us. He didn't run nearly as much as Kaep. or Rg3 and was still very successful.

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      • #63
        Newton might have the best chance of success.

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        • #64
          I agree Flacco didn't demonstrate his wheels much but he certainly has them. what he did do a lot was buy loads of extra time to get guys open.

          Now lets say Kap had a Giants defense that could hold a team under 21 points , you tell me he doesn't win???

          i agree with morehead that Kap was a young rookie and his first SB you get a bit nervous but still was good.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Delicreep View Post






            *How you jammed Ben and Flacco into that group I'll never know.
            why wouldnt I consider them hybrids??? they have designed running plays also. when you guys talk about "running qb's" it makes it seem they can't pass . i am telling you the wave of the future QB's can do both, and that is hard to defend.
            Last edited by Harooni; 02-04-2013, 11:34 AM.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Harooni View Post
              its obvious the hybrid guys who are a true double threat like RG3,Kapernick Big ben, Flacco . these guys are not scramblers but true hybrid beings using todays modern technology to win Superbowls.

              we can't get stuck in a stone aged old fashion one way to skin a cat thinking process.
              I fail to see how Flacco and RG3 are even remotely similar

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              • #67
                Flacco isn't a statue, but he's not a runner either..
                Mood: WOOF!

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by egyptian420 View Post
                  I fail to see how Flacco and RG3 are even remotely similar


                  fans forget Flacco can run also (not as fast as RG3 but still mobile)
                  Last edited by Harooni; 02-04-2013, 11:41 AM.

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                    Agreed. Another good example as to why these "hybrid" qbs arent the future was the throw from Flacco to Jones. Once the pocket started collapsing, Flacco moved forward to escape the pressure, kept his eyes glued down field and hit Jones for a huge play and the td. A mobile QB usually scramble at the first sign of the pocket collapsing. Not something you always want in a QB.
                    That's an interesting point, never thought of that really

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                    • #70
                      All QB's can run.
                      Mood: WOOF!

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                        All QB's can run.
                        lol you never see eli/peyton have a run like 11 seconds into that video.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Harooni View Post


                          fans forget Flacco can run also (not as fast as RG3 but still mobile)
                          dezzzr made a point already about that play to Jones where the pocket collapsed and Flacco stepped into it and bombed it to Jones, I can't say with certainty what RG3 would've done but I would bet he rushes on that play.

                          RG3 also plays in a totally different system that caters to his athleticism. I don't see Flacco in a pistol formation faking 9/10 handoffs and running with it. Most of the time Flacco runs is when he's trapped and has no other option, where as most of RG3's runs are actually run plays designed for him.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            To deal with the OP's point. I would say what guys like Kaepernick and Russell Wilson have shown, is that being a pocket passer is no longer the only way to win.
                            You can have a QB who can and will run the football, and have a very dynamic offense.
                            That doesn't mean you can't win just as well as always with a pocket passer.
                            Agree.
                            I respect what Harooni is trying to get across but I don't agree with his last statement. We are not going to be stuck in stone age if we don't get into the program with a " hybrid " QB.
                            " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              +1
                              + 2 !
                              " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                                lol you never see eli/peyton have a run like 11 seconds into that video.
                                Ok so Joe can run faster than Eli and Peyton, that still doesnt make them running QB's or hybrid QB's.
                                Mood: WOOF!

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