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  • #76
    I'd say that Flacco would need a better YPA average than 2.1 to actually be considered some sort of serious running threat.

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    • #77
      guys like ben and flacco also have designed running plays and options to run. now some may do more or less than say an RG3 or Kap but thats not the point. the point is the future is guys that can do both. even if Flacco doesnt use it in any particular game the capability is there. And as a young QB gets better passing and ages a bit he will most likely pass more and i expect RG3 to do the same.

      Now you can either fold your arms and be stubborn or embrace the fact that the future is the double threat.
      Last edited by Harooni; 02-04-2013, 01:03 PM.

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      • #78
        Days of collins and bledsoe are over , lead footed golems are not going to win anymore.

        move in the athletic QB that can do both.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by EliDaMANning View Post
          If the standard in the NFL is to win a SB then how is that ridiculous? Maybe Seattle wants to use Wilson more in the pocket like they already showed us. He didn't run nearly as much as Kaep. or Rg3 and was still very successful.
          I'm not sold on RGIII because he hasn't shown that he is a quality pocket passer. Both Wilson and Kaepernick have.

          And I can't stand the simplistic view that you have to win a SB to prove anything. It takes teams to win a SB. Trust me, Dan Marino didn't suck.
          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Harooni View Post
            Now you can either fold your arms and be stubborn or embrass the fact that the future is the double threat.
            But Flacco isn't a double threat haha. You're my bro Harooni but he would need to be more consistent on his 201 attempts to qualify for the group. He has had two really nice deep runs but would you say that Eli is a physical runner because he shoulder plowed that one Packers defender this year?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
              Agree.
              I respect what Harooni is trying to get across but I don't agree with his last statement. We are not going to be stuck in stone age if we don't get into the program with a " hybrid " QB.
              I'll second that. What these guys have shown is that being strictly a pocket passer isn't the only way to win. It didn't show that the days of the pocket passer are numbered.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • #82
                there is no such thing as pocket passer or running qb. thats all made up by fans labeling things. all qb's throw more than they rush , even Vick.

                What we have is a new generation that can do both.

                if you guys label Kap as a running QB you are doing a great deservice to his throwing ability's. and yes "running qbs" throw from the pocket also.

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                • #83
                  These "hybrid QBs" are just movable because they have that athleticism to move around the pocket and their o-line allows them to.

                  I think we are comparing all of these QBs to Eli Manning and not realizing that Eli is a pocket passer who stands around a lot. His movement outside of the pocket isn't as good as others because of athletic abilities to run IMO.

                  When Eli runs, it looks like that slow poke that needs a head start. When Flacco heads out of the pocket, looks like a speedster.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                    guys like ben and flacco also have designed running plays and options to run. now some may do more or less than say an RG3 or Kap but thats not the point. the point is the future is guys that can do both. even if Flacco doesnt use it in any particular game the capability is there. And as a young QB gets better passing and ages a bit he will most likely pass more and i expect RG3 to do the same.

                    Now you can either fold your arms and be stubborn or embrace the fact that the future is the double threat.
                    It's not really about being stubborn, I just think most NFL fans would rather have a Brady who can't run worth of #### than RG3, and rightfully so.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                      there is no such thing as pocket passer or running qb. thats all made up by fans labeling things. all qb's throw more than they rush , even Vick.

                      What we have is a new generation that can do both.

                      if you guys label Kap as a running QB you are doing a great deservice to his throwing ability's. and yes "running qbs" throw from the pocket also.
                      Well I agree but its misguided (IMO) to suggest that you will have to do both in the future. Pocket passers are not going to be obsolete anytime soon.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        Well I agree but its misguided (IMO) to suggest that you will have to do both in the future. Pocket passers are not going to be obsolete anytime soon.
                        No, and that's because we have the offensive line still.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                          But Flacco isn't a double threat haha. You're my bro Harooni but he would need to be more consistent on his 201 attempts to qualify for the group. He has had two really nice deep runs but would you say that Eli is a physical runner because he shoulder plowed that one Packers defender this year?
                          when the pocket breaks down and the middle is all clear guys like brady and eli can pick up 6 yards or so. but guys like big ben and flacco can get you that big 13yard first down.

                          more mobile is the future, as i said guys that can do both. might not always flex it but the ability is there.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            Well I agree but its misguided (IMO) to suggest that you will have to do both in the future. Pocket passers are not going to be obsolete anytime soon.
                            sorry more, but i think that door is closing fast on these slow club footed QB's , these kids are coming out more and more athletic.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                              sorry more, but i think that door is closing fast on these slow club footed QB's , these kids are coming out more and more athletic.
                              It's all of those drugs man. I really do agree though. All these QBs are getting better in all facets of the game. I know some old-timers around here want to deny it as much as possible just like they've denied the use of all this wonderful technology that we've gotten.

                              It's not the way to go, we have to move on from the past and to something better. One day the Giants will have their own mobile QB.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                                when the pocket breaks down and the middle is all clear guys like brady and eli can pick up 6 yards or so. but guys like big ben and flacco can get you that big 13yard first down.

                                more mobile is the future, as i said guys that can do both. might not always flex it but the ability is there.
                                Do defenses account for Flacco's mobility though? Is there a possible spy to keep an eye on Flacco in the event he escapes the pocket? Is the defensive coordinator afraid to play man coverage because he's afraid Flacco will burn them on the sideline with his legs? These are common themes you see against dual threat QBs and I've never seen Flacco face that sort of defense.

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