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  • #31
    Originally posted by FBomb View Post
    Show me a team who doesn't have cap "issues" and I'll show you a perennial basement dweller.
    Lets try the Patriots for one.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by ozzie0075 View Post
      There is no way that Reese could a account for a guy like Cruz becoming what he has.
      He could have locked him up early at a bargain price, which is something that was done quite often when he took over from Accorsi.

      I'm all kinds of shocked that we've handled Cruz the way we have.
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      • #33
        Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
        Nope, it keeps the league competitive. It's the team's job to stay within it.
        We probably don't want the MLB situation where the same 4-5 teams outspend everybody else, but I'd like to see an exception for resigning home-grown players like the Larry Byrd exception.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by FBomb View Post
          Show me a team who doesn't have cap "issues" and I'll show you a perennial basement dweller.
          Exactly, the Ravens have a very difficult salary cap situation to deal with this offseason.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Captain Chaos View Post
            Lets try the Patriots for one.
            They havent won in almost a decade

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Rat_bastich View Post
              I think, compared to other NFL teams, they have been pretty conservative and actually get more bang for the buck. I believe even if they had a lot of room under the current cap they still wouldn't go after star players and would still bargain shop.
              Rolle, Canty and Baas?

              Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
              They havent won in almost a decade
              But they're hardly a perennial basement dweller.

              Originally posted by BurnerNYG View Post
              Build a bridge and get over it.
              The Giants tried that last season and it didn't work.

              Last edited by Flip Empty; 02-07-2013, 07:54 AM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by SweetZombieJesus View Post
                He could have locked him up early at a bargain price, which is something that was done quite often when he took over from Accorsi.

                I'm all kinds of shocked that we've handled Cruz the way we have.
                How early? He exploded the first year he played . . . after that season there was no way that he was going to sign at a "bargain price". Are you suggesting that they should have signed him to a long term deal before the 2011 season or in the middle of that season?

                Given how fast Cruz exploded on the scene, it is pretty hard to fault Reese for his handling of the situation.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by G-Men Surg. View Post
                  I've been a life long Giants fan ( 30 plus years and counting ) always been proud of this franchise and by God always will. I've seen through out the years tough FO personnel decisions made, Bavaro, Banks, Pepper Johnson, Burt, Jesse Armstead and the list goes on and on, all those decision based on contract disputes, injury issues and when FA era started the calls got tougher not only for the Giants but for all NFL teams. But one thing I would HATE seeing happening to this franchise in relation to the FO is decisions made by the presence of a $hi....ty salary cap situation inflated in the first place by the own team with irresponsible managment. I've always mocked teams that have lived all their lives under bad administrations putting their franchise at the bottom of salary caps by awful financial decisions , the Raiders amoung others are the laughing-stock of the NFL in this regard and year in and year out they keep it up. Reese has a difficult job no different compared with other GMs around the league but I can't seem to put this bad taste out of my mouth right now thinking that in a very good part this hard decisions cutting players have been taken based on awful cap managment ( huge contracts with no intentions to fulfill, constant contract restructuring asked for some players, etc ) . If this Is going to be a rough ride to keep us out of cap hell? Then fine but I don't want this to become a trend for the future, living in cap hell by the result of bad managment. Those, my two cents. Go Giants!
                  You can only judge success by the results. So far, Reese's results have been pretty good.
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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by SweetZombieJesus View Post
                    He could have locked him up early at a bargain price, which is something that was done quite often when he took over from Accorsi.

                    I'm all kinds of shocked that we've handled Cruz the way we have.
                    They've had Cruz at a bargain price for three years and are about to do it again if he has to be tendered. That's just how the process works. With the recent releases, I am convinced Reese is going to do everything he can to sign Nicks and Cruz long term. But let's not kid ourselves, Nicks and Cruz have to make good faith efforts in those negotiations.
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                      How early? He exploded the first year he played . . . after that season there was no way that he was going to sign at a "bargain price". Are you suggesting that they should have signed him to a long term deal before the 2011 season or in the middle of that season?

                      Given how fast Cruz exploded on the scene, it is pretty hard to fault Reese for his handling of the situation.
                      Every day they wait the price goes up.

                      I would have re-upped him in mid-2011 at a bargain. As soon as it was clear that 2010 preseason wasn't a fluke... IIRC he had a bust-out in the Eagles game in 2011. You could have had him relatively cheap.

                      The longer you wait the more expensive he becomes -- and his ego will be hurt as well.

                      Reese used to be good at resigning guys early at bargain prices, and we'd sign young players long term at below market value. Tuck is a good example, even though he's falling off he's played for years underpaid.
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                      "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                        Show me a team who doesn't have cap "issues" and I'll show you a perennial basement dweller.
                        Originally posted by Captain Chaos View Post
                        Lets try the Patriots for one.
                        and there's a reason why the Patriots are the cream of the crop when it comes to front office. although it helps when you have arguably the best QB of all time on your team. The eagles also.

                        I'm huge Reese homer, but his FA signings have been - i suppose like other FA signings. Spent too much. Got too little.

                        But hey, we got a SB out of it.
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                        • #42
                          Look all this cap talk is nonsense, at the end of the day you gotta take being a fan as taking a ride. We have been at the top of the coaster for two championships in recent years and inevitably you have to come down from there. These new moves of releasing Bradshaw etc. although the logic may confound and be difficult to take emotionally, its a ride. I want to win every game the Giants play but really its about seeing what we field this coming year personnel wise and their ability to rise to the occasion. If we lose Cruz because of any reason it will be a real bummer but that's all. Its a trip for sure and I'm as excited for this season than maybe even last year. We'll see what happens, I'm betting on good things but time will tell, that's what being a fan is about.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by SweetZombieJesus View Post
                            Every day they wait the price goes up.

                            I would have re-upped him in mid-2011 at a bargain. As soon as it was clear that 2010 preseason wasn't a fluke... IIRC he had a bust-out in the Eagles game in 2011. You could have had him relatively cheap.

                            The longer you wait the more expensive he becomes -- and his ego will be hurt as well.

                            Reese used to be good at resigning guys early at bargain prices, and we'd sign young players long term at below market value. Tuck is a good example, even though he's falling off he's played for years underpaid.
                            No offense, but no legitimate businessman, and certainly no legitimate NFL executive, would have signed Cruz to a significant long term deal in the middle of 2011, with only a few good games under his belt. Plus, we have no idea whether Cruz would have signed for a "bargain price" once he realized that 2011 was becoming a break out season for him. I really don't know why he would do that.

                            The circumstance that we are in with Cruz's contract isn't anybody's fault. In fact, we're in this circumstance because of a great thing -- we signed an undrafted FA who turned out to be one of the best players at his position. I'll take these kinds of problems all day long!

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                            • #44
                              I don't see how any of the players cut were huge losses for the Giants. On the contrary in the case of Boley and Canty it opens up a spot that was fulfilled by overpayed underperforming players for more hungry inexpensive and perhaps talented guys. The only thing we lost was Ahmad's toughness but his ability we did not lose.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Harooni View Post
                                you just can't be afraid to let guys with huge contracts go. even if you like them. if it doesnt make sense cap wise or they under perform pull the trigger on the release button and now you have a nice chunk of $$$ to spend getting better or filling more than one spot.
                                Exactly. +1
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