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  • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    That depends on Cruz. He will get tendered which is really a slap in the face, financially speaking. He can only make $2.879M in 2013 and, even if you hate Cruz, that's not commensurate with his skills. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. This is a shot across the bow for Cruz. It will be interesting to see how they respond. I just don't see him playing here in 2014.

    He will lose a minimum of $5M due to the tender. There isn't going to be a lot more money available next season to make the CAP more friendly.
    I strongly use the word IF

    IF Cruz's camp is asking in the 10m range then the slap in the face is all on them. Cruz gets tendered and then who knows maybe he has another season just cracking the 1,000 yard mark. He still wont be getting top 5 money and the Giants offer at that point (even during the season) may actually be the one he takes.

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    • Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
      I strongly use the word IF

      IF Cruz's camp is asking in the 10m range then the slap in the face is all on them. Cruz gets tendered and then who knows maybe he has another season just cracking the 1,000 yard mark. He still wont be getting top 5 money and the Giants offer at that point (even during the season) may actually be the one he takes.
      Anything is possible. I will say leaking this tidbit was negotiating genius. If anyone ever thought Reese doesn't know what he's doing, this should dispel those thoughts. He's going to use Nicks' subpar season to the team's advantage and use the negotiations with Nicks to the team's advantage in the Cruz contract talks.

      If Cruz in tendered, he should use 2013 as an audition for his UFA debut
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
        Eh boy.. Worry about Nicks next year, need to lock up Cruz
        How? Cruz wants too much cash.

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        • Originally posted by Diamondring View Post
          How? Cruz wants too much cash.
          Yea Cruz wants too much, the Giants wants to pay less.. They will meet in the middle

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          • Originally posted by Diamondring View Post
            How? Cruz wants too much cash.
            That's just negotiating posturing. What is asked for is not necessarily what is wanted.
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • They probably realize that Cruz is gonna get a huge deal, and that if Nicks comes back healthy and has a great year that they won't afford both. So if they can get a break on Nicks now because his value is down due to the injury, then pay Cruz next year, while Nicks is already locked up.
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              • Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                They probably realize that Cruz is gonna get a huge deal, and that if Nicks comes back healthy and has a great year that they won't afford both. So if they can get a break on Nicks now because his value is down due to the injury, then pay Cruz next year, while Nicks is already locked up.
                No, I think they realize that Nicks is the better receiver.
                No one remembers who came in second.

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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  I wonder if they are considering trading Cruz??
                  with this new information on Nicks you never know what teams are thinking!

                  yea i think trading Cruz is a real 50/50 possibility especially since Mr. Maras comments!
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                  • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                    This will likely mean Cruz will be sent on his way in 2014 so we need to bring some folks along
                    I didn't think of it that way but if the cap can only absorb one big WR salary, then Nick is the priority assuming both of them are healthy. Locking down Nicks and tendering Cruz gets us through one year to Cruz's departure. That would be disappointing but may be an economic reality. I'd pay money to know how JR and Co. actually break these things down.
                    No one remembers who came in second.

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                    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      Anything is possible. I will say leaking this tidbit was negotiating genius. If anyone ever thought Reese doesn't know what he's doing, this should dispel those thoughts. He's going to use Nicks' subpar season to the team's advantage and use the negotiations with Nicks to the team's advantage in the Cruz contract talks.

                      If Cruz in tendered, he should use 2013 as an audition for his UFA debut
                      I need a little bit of help understanding the rules. If we tender cruz this year and he plays and then walks the next year do we get a first round pick for him? What's the situation where we receive a first rounder for cruz if he walks?

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                      • Originally posted by jomo View Post
                        I didn't think of it that way but if the cap can only absorb one big WR salary, then Nick is the priority assuming both of them are healthy. Locking down Nicks and tendering Cruz gets us through one year to Cruz's departure. That would be disappointing but may be an economic reality. I'd pay money to know how JR and Co. actually break these things down.
                        I'm just not totally convinced Nicks is the better receiver but I do believe that together they can be the best tandem in the NFL.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                          I'm just not totally convinced Nicks is the better receiver but I do believe that together they can be the best tandem in the NFL.
                          You don't need to be convinced, we're telling you Nicks is the better receiver. Would we lie to you?

                          Giants fan since the early 80s

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                          • Originally posted by Jppallday View Post
                            I need a little bit of help understanding the rules. If we tender cruz this year and he plays and then walks the next year do we get a first round pick for him? What's the situation where we receive a first rounder for cruz if he walks?
                            No, when Cruz is a UFA he can go anywhere he wants for whatever he's offered and the Giants get nothing in return. If they tender him in 2013 as a RFA, then they get a 1st round draft pick if that's the tender the Giants put on him. But that would require a team to make an offer and be willing to give up a 1st round pick. The Giants could match the offer if they wanted or just let him go and take the extra pick.
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • Originally posted by ny06 View Post
                              You don't need to be convinced, we're telling you Nicks is the better receiver. Would we lie to you?

                              I'm just going to let you believe Nicks is best while I continue to mull it over.
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                I'm just not totally convinced Nicks is the better receiver but I do believe that together they can be the best tandem in the NFL.
                                It is not as clear cut as I may make it appear. You've seen enough of me to realize that hyperbole is one of my relatives. lol That said, I think that Nicks has the better hands and can handle the split reveiver role better than Cuz. Cruz drops too many balls but has an explosive quality about him. Nicks has been injured alot and still productive but is he injury prone? Nicks has been a top receiver for longer than Cruz and Cruz's production or at least those explosive plays dropped way off this year. Is he getting a little gun shy going over the middle. I guess that's a long way to say that when healthy, they are one of the top 3 tandems in the league and it would be a shame if the salary cap breaks them up.
                                No one remembers who came in second.

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