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  • #16
    Watch Reese surprise everyone and go grab another WR in the first now...

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    • #17
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      Because if he put a reasonable contract on the table the giants would have kept talking. They wouldn't have agreed to disagree unless they are very far apart numbers wise.
      I have to disagree. Reese has 20 + free agents to deal with. He's signed a total of one, Pascoe. That is because they offered him the vet minimum and he agreed, no brainer. There are a few ERFAs who will get three year vet minimum take it or leave it offers so they will either accept the offers or leave the NFL for 2013. There are also players to release, look for reworking existing contracts where players are clearly overpaid, etc. It's not as though the amount of money they will have is static. It's going to change based on what they do with all of those free agents and the players they draft (whose salaries are going to be set in stone via the CBA).

      The fact that Reese hasn't given an answer yet is nothing more that strategy. We don't even know when Cruz's handler made their proposal. It's a stretch to say "they aren't talking."
      Last edited by RoanokeFan; 01-31-2013, 12:15 PM.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #18
        Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
        I agree with Slip...it's obvious he's asking for a big contract otherwise the two sides would still be talking. They have to be far off for talks to completely stop
        It's not obvious at all.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #19
          Originally posted by DownWitJPP View Post
          Watch Reese surprise everyone and go grab another WR in the first now...
          Why would we be "surprised" at any draft pick Reese makes? He doesn't exactly make predictions easy.
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • #20
            I would assume they offered him a contract similar to what Pitt offered Antonio Brown. 5 year ~$45 million.

            I would expect Cruz to be asking for around $13-$15 mil a season.

            But since this free agency will be loaded with WRs, TEs and OTs. Might be better letting these guys test FA.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
              Because if he put a reasonable contract on the table the giants would have kept talking. They wouldn't have agreed to disagree unless they are very far apart numbers wise.
              How do you know its not the Giants that are being unreasonable?
              How do you know ANYONE is being unreasonable?
              Point is..none of us know anything and to speculate based on nothing is silly.
              Contract negotiations are just that. .......NEGOTIATIONS. There is a process.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                I would assume they offered him a contract similar to what Pitt offered Antonio Brown. 5 year ~$45 million.

                I would expect Cruz to be asking for around $13-$15 mil a season.
                Again....Based on what...........
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  I would assume they offered him a contract similar to what Pitt offered Antonio Brown. 5 year ~$45 million.

                  I would expect Cruz to be asking for around $13-$15 mil a season.

                  But since this free agency will be loaded with WRs, TEs and OTs. Might be better letting these guys test FA.
                  We have no indication the Giants made the first offer.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #24
                    Here come the assumptionists!
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      I would assume they offered him a contract similar to what Pitt offered Antonio Brown. 5 year ~$45 million.

                      I would expect Cruz to be asking for around $13-$15 mil a season.

                      But since this free agency will be loaded with WRs, TEs and OTs. Might be better letting these guys test FA.
                      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      Again....Based on what...........
                      Based on the going rate for mid-high level WRs, vs the upper level WRs.

                      This isn't rocket science. Giants and Cruz are obviously pretty far apart numbers wise considering they agreed to the structure of the deal a long time ago.

                      Reese has the upper hand in negotiations being that he can tender Cruz. But the giants would want a long term deal so won't really low ball him. They would give him a "fair" deal. Like the ones Pitt gave to Brown. Ironically, Pitt offered that same contract initially to Wallace, but Wallace turned it down because he felt he was worth more, so Pitt gave him the tag, had him play under that for the year. Then will probably let him walk.

                      The precedent is in place. Giants will negotiate some, but do not over pay for guys off a fair market value.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                        Here come the assumptionists!
                        Let the guessing begin
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                          We have no indication the Giants made the first offer.
                          Doesn't matter who made the first offer. When the team and player "agree to disagree" on the contract and walk away from it then clearly they are not in the same ballpark when it comes to numbers.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            Doesn't matter who made the first offer. When the team and player "agree to disagree" on the contract and walk away from it then clearly they are not in the same ballpark when it comes to numbers.
                            You are making assumptions. Who has agreed to disagree? Who has walked away?
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #29
                              I'm assuming that the lion's share of the focus is on Beatty right now. I doubt Reese wants to go back to the offensive line struggles of 2011 where everyone and their grandmother had their way with Diehl. Beatty should be easier to get on a more team friendly deal this year with the OT FA class compared to Cruz being the top guy for this year's WRs.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                Why would we be "surprised" at any draft pick Reese makes? He doesn't exactly make predictions easy.
                                I'd be very surprised if we drafted a QB, RB, or WR

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