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  • I am all for keeping Cruz, but I don't think he should be paid as much as Nicks.. When Nicks is healthy, he's a legit top 10 WR, Cruz isnt (not a knock on him he's very good).

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    • Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
      I think its going to take 7 or 8 each to keep them
      But they can't both have that much. Reese gets paid big bucks to get and keep talent. He's earning his money this season

      If there is that much separation between Nicks and Cruz (I'm still not sure that's the case) then Nicks is rightly going to demand more. Most folks here seem to think a top 5 - 10 receiver can command $8-10M or more. If they do that for Nicks, Cruz will be gone after 2014 because they won't have the money to keep him IF he has another 1,000+ yard season he will be sought after by a few teams.
      Last edited by RoanokeFan; 02-04-2013, 12:00 AM.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • Whatever happens, we should have them both for 2013. If Cruz is flat out tendered, with no continuing negotiations in 2013, he'll be odd man when he hits UFA.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • I come to the decision that Cruz should get 10 mil a year for his services Yet deduct some of the money to spend on another receiver to take some pressure off of him, that costs him 3 mil. Now add a O-linemen for Eli so Eli can throw Cruz the ball, that is 2 mil. That leaves him with 5 mil contract a year.

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          • Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
            Big Eric the Actor fan?
            HOWARD FAN, funny how eric turns down every role its hilarious and i miss Artie lange and the 49ers get up is football and superbowl related .

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            • JR and Co. will be doing their dance with agents for the next several months, so I wouldn't bet on anything that is in print about what anyone said. I don't think baas has gotten any better; we got stuck, just like canty and others. Its why we're sitting here right now. If the draft isn't a home run and if TC refuses to play rookies get ready to strap on your crash helmuts, brother!

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              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                But they can't both have that much. Reese gets paid big bucks to get and keep talent. He's earning his money this season

                If there is that much separation between Nicks and Cruz (I'm still not sure that's the case) then Nicks is rightly going to demand more. Most folks here seem to think a top 5 - 10 receiver can command $8-10M or more. If they do that for Nicks, Cruz will be gone after 2014 because they won't have the money to keep him IF he has another 1,000+ yard season he will be sought after by a few teams.
                I am sure that the Cowgirls, the eagirls and the deadskins will find a way to fit him under their cap. It just seems that the Giants, tie up money on deadwood and then they do not have enough for those who produce. I am just waiting for Cruz to burn us a couple of times every year if that happens.

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                • Originally posted by jomo View Post
                  Inteesting and appropriate that Nicks is our first priority at WR.
                  + 1.
                  " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                  • Cruz/Nicks contract situation

                    is certainly a frustrating ordeal.

                    I think from a General Managers position, it is nearly impossible to quantify monetarily how valuable a slot receiver is to a receiver. The position itself, as well as it's role in the NFL today, is relatively new, and continuously evolving.

                    Certainly, I'm not one to say Cruz is simply just a guy that will sit in zone coverage and pick them apart for 6 - 8 yards at a time, however we all know he does that as well as anyone in the league, and that is how we utilize him to a much larger degree than anything else.

                    Now, the question is, who else in the league do you compare his skill set to in accordance to the team and develop a suitable contract for him?

                    It seems as if over the last three years, several more teams have utitlized a hybrid h-back, tight end, slot wide out/running back guy to open up the middle of the field. These sort of athletes are coming across much more prominently now, meaning that the college ranks are pumping them out like never before. However, guys like Hakeem Nicks, whose skill set has done wonders over the entirety of the existence of the NFL, are rare.

                    I think we all know what I am saying here. Nicks and Cruz play two entirely different roles on this team. Which role is more difficult to fill? That is the guy we should try our absolute hardest to hold on to.

                    I'm on the side of Hakeem Nicks, here. I hate the annual injuries, but I can't help but think of our former Steve Smith and think that Victor Cruz would be so much easier to replace than Nicks.

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                    • I want Cruz to stay, and HATED the way Steve Smith and Kevin Boss went out, but that basically is going to be the philosophy of Jerry Reese, they're not going to overpay anyone.

                      and if I were to choose between Cruz and Nicks, and go with Nicks all the way. I love that guy, in the manliest way possible.

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                      • Unfortunately for Cruz he knows he is a no. 2 WR or a slot WR but he is seaking a no. 1 WR kind of contract. I pray he is just playing a hand hard and just seaking a fair contract because if he's not then he is in for a hard time trying to brake bank with the Giants. Things could get sour fast and obviously this is not good for team chemistry.
                        " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                        • Originally posted by EJ Blue View Post
                          I want Cruz to stay, and HATED the way Steve Smith and Kevin Boss went out, but that basically is going to be the philosophy of Jerry Reese, they're not going to overpay anyone.

                          and if I were to choose between Cruz and Nicks, and go with Nicks all the way. I love that guy, in the manliest way possible.
                          That's the correct choice. I love Cruz to death put no way he is worth 8 to 10 mill per year.
                          " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                          • Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            As I have been saying, Nicks is more valuable to this offense than the slot guy is.Slot guys are almost plug and play in this system and you can get a 900+ yard guy. The outside receiver that forces double teams and STILL gets open? Incredibly hard to find.
                            Can't agree more.

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                            • I could easily see Cruz Not coming back if he doesn't want to. If he is out for as much money as he can get, it won't be as a Giant. We don't have the cash, and he knows it. We will see what happens. If he goes, it will be too bad. We will still have a ton of talent to go to.
                              # 80 (For FBomb)

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                              • Originally posted by jomo View Post
                                It is not as clear cut as I may make it appear. You've seen enough of me to realize that hyperbole is one of my relatives. lol That said, I think that Nicks has the better hands and can handle the split reveiver role better than Cuz. Cruz drops too many balls but has an explosive quality about him. Nicks has been injured alot and still productive but is he injury prone? Nicks has been a top receiver for longer than Cruz and Cruz's production or at least those explosive plays dropped way off this year. Is he getting a little gun shy going over the middle. I guess that's a long way to say that when healthy, they are one of the top 3 tandems in the league and it would be a shame if the salary cap breaks them up.
                                I don’t think I would categorize Hakeem Nicks as injury prone. The issue is that he comes back early. Now, I don’t know if that is by his insistence or the coaches and coordinators needing him back and pushing him to come back early. Either way, Hakeem Nicks does need to have some time to heal and the fact that he comes back so early is indicative of how important he truly is to this offense.

                                I look at Hakeem Nicks as our Number 1 Receiver and although I really, really want both he and Victor to remain as NY Giants, Hakeem is our 1ST priority IMO. He is very physical and when he is in the game, he gets the attention from the oppossing teams top cover guy. Also, he takes big hits and doesn’t let it rattle his game. We can’t really say that about Victor. Victor Cruz as great as he is does have some seriously costly drops and he did “short arm” it this year when we needed him to step up.

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