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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Boldin has missed an average of 1.9 games/year in his 10 year career.
    Nicks has missed an average of 2.25 games/year in his 4 years.
    Not exactly a huge difference.
    And quite honestly, Nicks is better.
    Well, let's see if Nicks will last 10 years in the NFL.

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    • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
      If it's so easy, then wouldn't every team have an elite slot receiver?
      Because there aren't enough "elite" slot receivers, but don't tell me that there are scarce "good" slot receivers. You can't overload on "elite" players. Otherwise, the league would be ******ed and a few teams would be "elite".

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      • Originally posted by Moke View Post
        Because there aren't enough "elite" slot receivers, but don't tell me that there are scarce "good" slot receivers. You can't overload on "elite" players. Otherwise, the league would be ******ed and a few teams would be "elite".
        It's not about overloading on elite players. It's about having the best player(s) on your team, your chances of winning are even greater.

        And I agree with your first point
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
          It's not about overloading on elite players. It's about having the best player(s) on your team, your chances of winning are even greater.

          And I agree with your first point
          Well of course, but how difficult is it to get the best players around your whole team? There always has to be some sort of spread. You can't pay high prices to 2 of your wide receivers when you have other payments to make, you know? It's a number game. Hey, Jernigan can fill the slot receiver spot and do well.

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          • Originally posted by Moke View Post
            Well of course, but how difficult is it to get the best players around your whole team? There always has to be some sort of spread. You can't pay high prices to 2 of your wide receivers when you have other payments to make, you know? It's a number game. Hey, Jernigan can fill the slot receiver spot and do well.
            How do you know he will do well? Because he plays the same position as Cruz?

            I know it's most likely going to come down to one or the other. We have 22 other players to deal with. I just don't get this notion that someone else will pick off where Cruz left off, or he will do just as good.
            Mood: WOOF!

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            • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
              And this is where you're wrong. Reese's job is to find talent and find value. When a player far exceeds his value, he's no longer worth keeping on the team. Keeping talent gets you nowhere but salary cap hell.
              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              That doesn't make sense.
              I meant when a player's cost exceeds his value. i.e. if he's over paid. So in this if we re-sign Cruz to say 12 million, (i know an exaggeration), he's not worht keeping.
              http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
              http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
              http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

              Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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              • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                How do you know he will do well? Because he plays the same position as Cruz?

                I know it's most likely going to come down to one or the other. We have 22 other players to deal with. I just don't get this notion that someone else will pick off where Cruz left off, or he will do just as good.
                If he has the mindset, he very well can. He has the speed and athleticism to easily become that slot receiver.

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                • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                  How do you know he will do well? Because he plays the same position as Cruz?

                  I know it's most likely going to come down to one or the other. We have 22 other players to deal with. I just don't get this notion that someone else will pick off where Cruz left off, or he will do just as good.
                  Might do better than Cruz. He didn't do good in none of the 3 games the Giants need him most where they lost. Cruz is not that good and the other players helped him out. He has to pay those players so his ten to 15 mil has to be spend on his teammates.

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                  • Originally posted by Moke View Post
                    If he has the mindset, he very well can. He has the speed and athleticism to easily become that slot receiver.
                    Yep
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                      Yep
                      It's not like it's a big "if". With a good coaching staff that we all preach, it shouldn't be hard for a size like Jernigan to become good in the slot.

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                      • Originally posted by jomo View Post
                        If?
                        If they tender him this season and don't agree to continue to negotiate during the season, which John Mara has said they will do, he is going to be underpaid for the third year in a row, unless anyone thinks he's only worth $2.789M. I understand the Giants have every right to tender him, that's how the rules read.

                        Putting myself in his handlers' place I'd tell him to accept the tender, smile, work his *** off and be committed to leaving when he hits UFA. Assuming he's as good a player as I think he is, he may well stack another 1,000+ yard season on top of his first two (obviously he could fail as well) which will make him very employable after 2013 and the Giants, again, won't be able to afford his services. So he's very likely to get multiple offers from teams interested in having a receiver with his talent on their roster.

                        If tendered, he's going to lose out on somewhere between $3 and 5M, conservatively. I would expect Jerry Jones to be one of those interested when Cruz is an UFA and they aren't saddled with the slap on the wrist CAP space they and the Redskins are suffering under this season.

                        I don't know if Reese can or would even try to make life a little more bearable, as he did with Osi, by giving something above the tender rate. Everyone wants to be appreciated and properly compensated. But if I were advising Cruz, I'd be looking ahead to 2014 as the cards are stacked against us this season. I would not even think of a hold out or negative public statements that went beyond being disappointed. Then it's time to get to work, attend all OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, and play the entire 2013 season auditioning for his next GM, whoever that may be.

                        All of that being said, Reese may have a plan to sign them both this year by back loading bigger numbers for at last one of them. I don't think John Mara would have gone public saying they want Cruz if that's not true. Now we just have to wait and see.
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                          If they tender him this season and don't agree to continue to negotiate during the season, which John Mara has said they will do, he is going to be underpaid for the third year in a row, unless anyone thinks he's only worth $2.789M. I understand the Giants have every right to tender him, that's how the rules read.

                          Putting myself in his handlers' place I'd tell him to accept the tender, smile, work his *** off and be committed to leaving when he hits UFA. Assuming he's as good a player as I think he is, he may well stack another 1,000+ yard season on top of his first two (obviously he could fail as well) which will make him very employable after 2013 and the Giants, again, won't be able to afford his services. So he's very likely to get multiple offers from teams interested in having a receiver with his talent on their roster.

                          If tendered, he's going to lose out on somewhere between $3 and 5M, conservatively. I would expect Jerry Jones to be one of those interested when Cruz is an UFA and they aren't saddled with the slap on the wrist CAP space they and the Redskins are suffering under this season.

                          I don't know if Reese can or would even try to make life a little more bearable, as he did with Osi, by giving something above the tender rate. Everyone wants to be appreciated and properly compensated. But if I were advising Cruz, I'd be looking ahead to 2014 as the cards are stacked against us this season. I would not even think of a hold out or negative public statements that went beyond being disappointed. Then it's time to get to work, attend all OTAs, mini-camp, training camp, and play the entire 2013 season auditioning for his next GM, whoever that may be.

                          All of that being said, Reese may have a plan to sign them both this year by back loading bigger numbers for at last one of them. I don't think John Mara would have gone public saying they want Cruz if that's not true. Now we just have to wait and see.
                          Even Morehead is worth more than $2+MM.

                          The Giants are in a great position here. They will tender Cruz. If someone wants to give him a huge contract, we will get a first round pick. (that probably won't happen). So we will have great leverage at that point because he's probably not going to be happy making several million less than he would if he signed a long term deal.
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • I don't trust Nicks, I think the Giants should see how he plays this season first.

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                            • I think it's a foregone conclusion that the Giants don't expect to keep both.
                              http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                              http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                              http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                              Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                              • Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                                I think it's a foregone conclusion that the Giants don't expect to keep both.
                                I don't think that's true at all. I think they are thinking its better than 50/50.
                                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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