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  • I don't have the link. Someone mentioned it on here yesterday. Hopefully a rumor is all it is

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    • Originally posted by RichGiants81 View Post
      I don't have the link. Someone mentioned it on here yesterday. Hopefully a rumor is all it is
      Nothing about it on the first 4 pages of several google searches. I'm going to call shenanigans on it. He probably remembered Nicks saying he wanted to play in Carolina (in reference to the game we played there in Week 3) and thought he meant that he wanted to play for Carolina.

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      • Originally posted by RichGiants81 View Post
        Randle is gonna be a stud and that's all the more reason to keep nicks and Cruz both. Imagine our offense with nicks Cruz and randle playing up to his potential and then hixon or Barden in the fourth spot? That would be the best foursome in the game. If we were lucky enough to also have Bennett.... 13 could be the most productive offensive season ever for the giants
        That is right. I don't care what people say. One poster said to me that most teams do good with one star wr. I don't go by that cause that is not good and is not true. More talant is what the team needs and that talent has different levels on each team. Some have more talent at a high level and that is what we need inorder to succeed.

        I love Cruz but if he wants too much money, he has to understand that other good receivers helped him get his extra yards. If you look at all of the plays or most of them when the offense pass, look at how many defenders be around Cruz. Less defenders and he has a lot of room to move about. I have seen a lot of receivers in my time catch the ball then try to run after the catch. There be too many defenders around him and he can't get around them. That is experience you keep in your head especially when it happens majority of the time and happened to even the best players. More talented receivers we have, and Eli has more choices.

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        • Why would I lie about that? It wasn't a thread, it was a comment someone made on one of the 25 conversations started about Cruz. Like I said, hopefully it's just a rumor. I wasn't trying to lend any credibility to what I read, I was merely stating that I hope what I read wasn't true

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          • Originally posted by RichGiants81 View Post
            Why would I lie about that? It wasn't a thread, it was a comment someone made on one of the 25 conversations started about Cruz. Like I said, hopefully it's just a rumor. I wasn't trying to lend any credibility to what I read, I was merely stating that I hope what I read wasn't true
            I was saying the person who originally stated it was mistaken, not you. I just hadn't seen that post in all the merges, that's why I asked if you had the link. And as I said, I tried several different keyword searches on google and it turned up nothing, so I'm sure the OP just got confused.

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            • Im confused.

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              • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                I'm not upset at all, it'd just be stupid to even consider.. Barley any players are worthy of that much , let alone a guy who just was down 500yrds compared to his last season recieving, and its his only 2seasons to speak of... I mean, we didn't make the playoffs last yr with em , and locking 10mill per yr into em would be pretty silly in my opinion... Hes simply not worth it...
                You have to admit it was kind of silly to expect Cruz to duplicate the numbers he had the year prior. You are comparing a season where you had a slew of 5000 yard passers to a season where there was one 5000 yard passer in Brees (which is the norm and not the exception)and a few that got close. I still say the 2011 season was a product of the lockout and defenses coming late to the season. Back to Cruz though, he still had an impressive season with a good YAC, number of yards and even touchdowns.

                Now I agree that $10 million dollars would be a hefty price to pay and think the Giants may not even entertain something that high. But, Cruz has become an integral part of the team and deserves some compensation.

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                • Yup. Cut Diehl and Webster. Save about 13-14 mil and help create contracts. And resign who else we need.(
                  2017 Mock Draft

                  1st: Forrest Lamp, OG Western Kentucky
                  2nd: Caleb Brantley, DT Florida
                  3rd: Gerald Everett, TE South Alabama
                  4th: Dont'a Foreman, RB Texas
                  5th: Damontae Kazee, CB San Diego State
                  6th: KD Cannon, WR Baylor
                  7th: Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB Tennessee

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                  • No way they tie up that much cap space for 2 WRs. They clearly have targeted Nicks and will tender Cruz who will probably start to make some noise in the media after being underpaid for 3 years. Question is whether a team like Miami will Cruz his money and surrender a #1. Mara publicly talking about Cruz was for the purpose of preparing the fan base for his eventual departure.

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                    • Originally posted by nycsportzfan View Post
                      I'm not upset at all, it'd just be stupid to even consider.. Barley any players are worthy of that much , let alone a guy who just was down 500yrds compared to his last season recieving, and its his only 2seasons to speak of... I mean, we didn't make the playoffs last yr with em , and locking 10mill per yr into em would be pretty silly in my opinion... Hes simply not worth it...
                      Can you prove he is asking for $10M?
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • I agree that you need to do what you need to do to lock up WRs of that caliber to an extent. As people have said JR will not overpay and has a top of the line number set for both of them. We all know he will not under any circumstances go above those numbers. We all need to be prepared to lose one or both of them at some point. He feels he was able to bring in guys like SS, nicks, MM and Cruz and prob feels he can do it again under vet min or rookie contracts from new draft picks. He will let them walk. Eli and maybe JPP are only players truely safe at this point
                        Football has been very, very good to us.
                        After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                        But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                        # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                        1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                        2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                        3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                        4-New York Giants!!!
                        5-NE
                        Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                        ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                        • Oh and if Eli really wants to keep these to guys in the fold all he has to do is take a Huge pay cut. He needs to anyway the 20+ Million left in each of next few seasons will cripple this team. He has to know that, and if he wants to win another ring or two prior to retirement he will need to make a compromise and give up some of his money
                          Football has been very, very good to us.
                          After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                          But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                          # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                          1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                          2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                          3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                          4-New York Giants!!!
                          5-NE
                          Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                          ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                          • Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                            Oh and if Eli really wants to keep these to guys in the fold all he has to do is take a Huge pay cut. He needs to anyway the 20+ Million left in each of next few seasons will cripple this team. He has to know that, and if he wants to win another ring or two prior to retirement he will need to make a compromise and give up some of his money
                            Who in their right mind would do that? Yeah, why don't you just pay the guy a buck since clearly playing QB is just a hobby for him?

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                            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              Can you prove he is asking for $10M?
                              Told ya . There's misconception out there how much Cruz is asking and people are getting sour. I guess having Nicks prioritized is fueling that rumor.

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                              • Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
                                Oh and if Eli really wants to keep these to guys in the fold all he has to do is take a Huge pay cut. He needs to anyway the 20+ Million left in each of next few seasons will cripple this team. He has to know that, and if he wants to win another ring or two prior to retirement he will need to make a compromise and give up some of his money
                                LOL That's not going to happen. It's a business, Eli is entitled to every penny in his contract. He (or any player) doesn't even have to be worth it. Eli did not hold a gun to their heads when they entered into his current contract. If he shold ever get to the point where he's a detriment to the team they can release him and deal with the residual CAP fallout then.
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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