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  • Originally posted by AllHailEli View Post
    Told ya . There's misconception out there how much Cruz is asking and people are getting sour. I guess having Nicks prioritized is fueling that rumor.
    The news media started it and no amount of logic can persuade some folks that we don't really know what Cruz is asking for. John Mara said Cruz is asking for "too much, right now." He went on to say that's what agents do, blah, blah blah.

    Cruz deserves a fair contract based on his skills and his record to date. None of us know what that means to the Giants. I think Reese will make a respectable offer, knowing he can rely on the tender to make Cruz stay for 2013. It's a process and we need to wait for the shoes to drop. It won't be long before we know exactly what they are going to do.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
      LOL That's not going to happen. It's a business, Eli is entitled to every penny in his contract. He (or any player) doesn't even have to be worth it. Eli did not hold a gun to their heads when they entered into his current contract. If he shold ever get to the point where he's a detriment to the team they can release him and deal with the residual CAP fallout then.
      i realize what you and others are saying. But doess it really matter if he has 20 a year or say 15 a year if it means helping re signing two of the guys that could help him win more titles
      Football has been very, very good to us.
      After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
      But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

      # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

      1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
      2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
      3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
      4-New York Giants!!!
      5-NE
      Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

      ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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      • Originally posted by miked1958 View Post
        i realize what you and others are saying. But doess it really matter if he has 20 a year or say 15 a year if it means helping re signing two of the guys that could help him win more titles
        It's a contractual agreement, legally binding. Eli has been identified as THE FRANCHISE, rightly or wrongly. They have no one on the roster or on the horizon, as far as we know, who can effectively take his place. The organization went into his negotiation with their eyes open, knowing this CAP hell could result. Here we are and now Reese has to modify his usual process by releasing high rent players. So far, so good.
        Last edited by RoanokeFan; 02-09-2013, 03:28 PM.
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        • The Giants have all the leverage here.

          Cruz will re-sign, and he'll get a nice deal.
          "I like linebackers. I collect 'em. You can't have too many good ones." - Bill Parcells

          "Name the starting linebackers from 2007." - Jerry Reese

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          • Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
            The Giants have all the leverage here. Cruz will re-sign, and he'll get a nice deal.
            let's hope
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            • Nonononono. Keep him. Teams can't survive with one superstar WR. Double cover nicks and then Eli has no one else to trust.

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              • Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                Nonononono. Keep him. Teams can't survive with one superstar WR. Double cover nicks and then Eli has no one else to trust.
                It's probably 90% certain Cruz will be here in 2013.
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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  It's probably 90% certain Cruz will be here in 2013.
                  Yup. And if he isn't here in 2013, we'll have an extra 1st round pick. Even though it'd suck losing Cruz, having 2 firsts will definitely soften the blow some.

                  Would we get the signing team's 2013 or 2014 first rounder, though? And in the event the team has 2 firsts, do they get to choose which to give us or would it be their original selection?

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                  • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                    Yup. And if he isn't here in 2013, we'll have an extra 1st round pick. Even though it'd suck losing Cruz, having 2 firsts will definitely soften the blow some.

                    Would we get the signing team's 2013 or 2014 first rounder, though? And in the event the team has 2 firsts, do they get to choose which to give us or would it be their original selection?
                    I don't know for sure, but I assume the 2013 pick. I know that sounds great, but Reese doesn't always do what we'd like in the draft. Who's to say he'd take a WR in the top rounds? Who's to say if he did, he'd play in 2013? If he played, would he be successful, etc.

                    There's a lot of time left and a lot of players to evaluate as to their continued participation with the Giants. They have already signed two of our free agents and I would assume they are negotiating with others. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
                    Last edited by RoanokeFan; 02-09-2013, 07:47 PM.
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                    • I understand this is a money business. However, is he worth jeopardizing our teams salary cap issues? -no

                      no player is above the team. I'm sure we can find a suitable replacement.

                      food for thought: Steve smith did it, Jake Ballard did it.. where are they now?

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                      • Originally posted by giant-4-life View Post
                        I understand this is a money business. However, is he worth jeopardizing our teams salary cap issues? -no

                        no player is above the team. I'm sure we can find a suitable replacement.

                        food for thought: Steve smith did it, Jake Ballard did it.. where are they now?
                        What did Smith and Ballard do that is remotely similar to Cruz?
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                        • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                          I don't know for sure, but I assume the 2013 pick. I know that soudns great, but Reese doesn't always do what we'd like in the draft. Who's to say he'd take a WR in the top rounds? Who's to say if he did, he'd play in 2013? If he played, would he be successful, etc.

                          There's a lot of time left and a lot of players to evaluate as to their continued participation with the Giants. They have already signed two of our free agents and I would assume they are negotiating with others. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
                          I was just saying that if we lost Cruz, we wouldn't be left empty handed. Regardless of what position JR would choose with the pick, at least it's something. And he's done very well in the 1st, so even if the kid doesn't play much in '13, we very well will have a nice player moving forward.

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                          • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                            I was just saying that if we lost Cruz, we wouldn't be left empty handed. Regardless of what position JR would choose with the pick, at least it's something. And he's done very well in the 1st, so even if the kid doesn't play much in '13, we very well will have a nice player moving forward.
                            I think they really want to be in contention for the 2014 Super Bowl. That requires an amount of continuity and that's especially so of your proven play makers in all aspects of the game. I'm pretty sure Cruz will be here in 2013, whether he's here beyond that is anyone's guess right now.
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                            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              What did Smith and Ballard do that is remotely similar to Cruz?
                              Do I really have to answer that? Cruz and smith are/were our go to receivers.. Smith thought he could do better elsewhere. Ballard was a good TE who played well and did well.

                              point being... i don't care if cruz is a donald driver power WR, but he isn't worth throwing the team under the bus and then we suffer until we get all this salary cap stuff in order.

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                              • Originally posted by giant-4-life View Post
                                Do I really have to answer that? Cruz and smith are/were our go to receivers.. Smith thought he could do better elsewhere. Ballard was a good TE who played well and did well.

                                point being... i don't care if cruz is a donald driver power WR, but he isn't worth throwing the team under the bus and then we suffer until we get all this salary cap stuff in order.
                                Smith took his best offer while he was recovering from a serious injury. Ballard was claimed off of waivers when the Giants wanted to put him on the PUP list. Cruz and the Giants are negotiating terms of a contract. Since Cruz is a RFA, they have a fall back position of tendering him, which John Mara has said they will do if the can't come to agreement and then continue to negotiate a long term deal.

                                None of us know what Cruz has asked for or what the Giants are willing to pay him for a long term contract. Cruz is healthy and has been durable for the two years he's played. No one is "throwing the team under the bus." The team is wearing its Big Boy panties and won't do anything that puts the team at a disadvantage. You are blaming Cruz for something that hasn't happened.
                                Last edited by RoanokeFan; 02-09-2013, 08:12 PM.
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