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  • #76
    Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
    ...I already mentioned that earlier in the thread. My point is that Cruz's agent probably feels that he has the best WR in the FA class and even with the risk of the 1st round tender, it's worth testing the waters to see if a desperate team will roll the dice and overpay for his player. A tender doesn't mean that you still can't compare it to other players in the class.
    And if no team is willing to give up both a first round pick and a $10+ a year contract that does what for Cruz?

    Just like Wallace last year. Nobody gave him any sort of offers

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    • #77
      I still believe the Giants will have a deal ready for Victor Cruz before FA starts.
      New York Giants Superbowl XXI, XXV, XLII, XLVI Champions!!!!!

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      • #78
        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
        And if no team is willing to give up both a first round pick and a $10+ a year contract that does what for Cruz?

        Just like Wallace last year. Nobody gave him any sort of offers
        Cruz obviously signs the tender. Agents always overrate the expectations for their player and I don't see how this time will be any different. He's not getting Megatron/Fitz money but you can be sure he will do better than Antonio Brown.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
          Cruz obviously signs the tender. Agents always overrate the expectations for their player and I don't see how this time will be any different. He's not getting Megatron/Fitz money but you can be sure he will do better than Antonio Brown.
          I don't follow at all what you are saying. Yes Cruz would have to sign the giants tender offer...

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          • #80
            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
            I don't follow at all what you are saying. Yes Cruz would have to sign the giants tender offer...
            Cruz's agent will test his player out in the market to see what they can fetch. They will be disappointed and sign the tender. Simple as that.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
              Cruz's agent will test his player out in the market to see what they can fetch. They will be disappointed and sign the tender. Simple as that.
              Cruz has to sign the tender in order to test out the market. He can't test out the market otherwise.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                So you expect cruz will sign for half the money Antonio brown did??
                No. Again..the total amount means nothing. He will sign for more guaranteed money and fewer years. Brown got an $8.5MM bonus and Cruz will get more. He's a better player. I say Cruz gets at least $12MM guaranteed and less of a back loaded deal.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  His own free agents. See Gibril Wilson, Manningham, Butler, Ward, etc.
                  None of those players had the impact on the team Cruz has had,.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                    And if no team is willing to give up both a first round pick and a $10+ a year contract that does what for Cruz?

                    Just like Wallace last year. Nobody gave him any sort of offers
                    Exactly. We have all of the negotiating power going into next season. That's why now is the best time to get a long term deal done that is at least somewhat "team-friendly".

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                      Cruz has to sign the tender in order to test out the market. He can't test out the market otherwise.
                      Are you sure that's how it works? I could have sworn he was free to test out other offers for a limited period of time before he was forced to actually sign the team's first round tender.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                        Exactly. We have all of the negotiating power going into next season. That's why now is the best time to get a long term deal done that is at least somewhat "team-friendly".
                        Then lets allow the process to play out before we start making statements like "Cruz is asking for $15MM" and "the Giants have made a fair proposal".

                        None of us know at all what's happened or is happening.
                        The process will work it out. I doubt anyone is a villain or a hero. Its simple market forces at work.
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                          Exactly. We have all of the negotiating power going into next season. That's why now is the best time to get a long term deal done that is at least somewhat "team-friendly".
                          What does team friendly mean?
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            No. Again..the total amount means nothing. He will sign for more guaranteed money and fewer years. Brown got an $8.5MM bonus and Cruz will get more. He's a better player. I say Cruz gets at least $12MM guaranteed and less of a back loaded deal.

                            I already explained this to you. Saying "total money means nothing" is the equivalent of telling a sales person that his base salary is all that matters and commission means nothing.

                            Players absolutely make substantial money above what they are guaranteed.

                            Since you ignored my Eli example. Lets try with another player. Boley.

                            Boley has 1 year left and may be released before he is paid his 4.5 base salary.

                            Means he has only made the $11 mil he was guaranteed, right? Turns out he has made $20 million. Short of his $25 million total potential, but if you want to tell me that $9 million he has made over his guaranteed money is meaningless, well. You are wrong

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                              Are you sure that's how it works? I could have sworn he was free to test out other offers for a limited period of time before he was forced to actually sign the team's first round tender.
                              Maybe. Either way. He is never really a free agent. Giants always get to match any offer that Cruz signs. And if they chose not to match they get a first round pick in compensation.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                                Maybe. Either way. He is never really a free agent. Giants always get to match any offer that Cruz signs. And if they chose not to match they get a first round pick in compensation.
                                You've said before you'd rather that scenario but I always prefer the known performer to the "who will we get" unknown.
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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