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  • titwio
    started a topic Safe To Say Jacquian Williams Is The Best LB Ever...

    Safe To Say Jacquian Williams Is The Best LB Ever...

    Drafted in the Jerry Reese era.

    Was just going over some of the LB prospects in this years draft. It got me thinking about all the LB's the Giants have drafted and where they are now concerning the 2013 roster.

    2007: DeOssie (4th round)
    2008: Bryan Kehl (4th round), Jon Goff (5th round)
    2009: Clint Sintim (2nd round)
    2010: Phillip Dillard (4th round)
    2011: Greg Jones (6th round), Jacquian Williams (6th round)
    2012: N/A

    The only two available are DeOssie and Williams and we all know Zak is primarily used on ST's and as the LS.

    The Giants have a lot of needs this year in the draft. In the past, the Giants didn't appear to place high value on LB's....with the way the Redskins and Eagles are generating a lot of speed on offense with new looks, schemes and such....do you see a different value being placed on the way the Giants approach the line-backing position this year regarding the draft?

  • Harooni
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    we have had for years 2nd string linebackers. i'm concerned i'd say. front 4 masked the weakness a bit but now they arent the same and this may come to light this season.

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  • titwio
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    Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
    U would think winning 2 Super Bowls 1 with a History teacher as a MLB would show how much they value or need them to win
    I would like to hope that level of thinking is in the past.

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  • Redeyejedi
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    U would think winning 2 Super Bowls 1 with a History teacher as a MLB would show how much they value or need them to win. i think the FO knows what they are doing the formula has worked
    Last edited by Redeyejedi; 02-10-2013, 11:16 PM.

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  • ELI_HOF_NYG
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    that list needs a tissue.

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  • joemorrisforprez
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    Originally posted by EasyE23 View Post
    Careful there, Joe. I am a HUGE Barry Manilow fan. It's no longer fashionable to disrespect him.

    Christine
    Oops!!!!

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  • EasyE23
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    Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    When I hear "Best LB of the Reese Era" I think "Best Barry Manilow Song."
    Careful there, Joe. I am a HUGE Barry Manilow fan. It's no longer fashionable to disrespect him.

    Christine

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  • BigBlueAllDay
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    Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    I agree 100%. The NFL is always evolving....think about just a few years ago....pocket passers like Brees, Brady, Peyton, etc were the main offensive threat. The best way to defend them was to get a 4 man pass rush.

    Now, we've got QBs that can flat outrun DE's......whereas in the past the DE's could thrive by merely flushing out QBs, now they have to maintain gap control and hold QB's in the pocket.

    Add huge, athletic TE's into the mix.....guys who are too big for safeties, and too fast for guys like Blackburn.

    Long story short, fast LB's who can burst through gaps, seal the edge, and cover TE's are a rising commodity.
    Makes too much sense...

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  • titwio
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    Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    I agree 100%. The NFL is always evolving....think about just a few years ago....pocket passers like Brees, Brady, Peyton, etc were the main offensive threat. The best way to defend them was to get a 4 man pass rush.

    Now, we've got QBs that can flat outrun DE's......whereas in the past the DE's could thrive by merely flushing out QBs, now they have to maintain gap control and hold QB's in the pocket.

    Add huge, athletic TE's into the mix.....guys who are too big for safeties, and too fast for guys like Blackburn.

    Long story short, fast LB's who can burst through gaps, seal the edge, and cover TE's are a rising commodity.
    Well said and very true.

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  • joemorrisforprez
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    If we had the players, I'd like to see the defense go back to a 3-4. I look at this read-option stuff sweeping the league, and laugh thinking about what Lawrence Taylor and Carl Banks would do to an offense like that. It would be a joke.

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  • joemorrisforprez
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    Originally posted by titwio View Post
    LB's are becoming more important with the way the league and especially the NFC East is shaping. With the pistol offense in Washington, to what the Eagles will be doing with Chip Kelly. LB's are becoming more of a necessity and I don't see the Giants getting by on drafting that level of talent anymore (IMO).

    I definitely think Ogletree is a possibility for the Giants. Reese has shown and spoken up before on how much they value big and freakish talent. Solder, JPP etc...were guys with just raw ability that were high on the Giants board because of their make-up. Ogletree at the LB position is similar. He's going to be one of the most watched guys at the combine this year because of his freakish ability and speed. All things the Giants could look to add especially considering the way the league is shifting with big TE's and mobile QB's.
    I agree 100%. The NFL is always evolving....think about just a few years ago....pocket passers like Brees, Brady, Peyton, etc were the main offensive threat. The best way to defend them was to get a 4 man pass rush.

    Now, we've got QBs that can flat outrun DE's......whereas in the past the DE's could thrive by merely flushing out QBs, now they have to maintain gap control and hold QB's in the pocket.

    Add huge, athletic TE's into the mix.....guys who are too big for safeties, and too fast for guys like Blackburn.

    Long story short, fast LB's who can burst through gaps, seal the edge, and cover TE's are a rising commodity.

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  • BigJ
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    This list is just sad.....

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  • joemorrisforprez
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    Originally posted by Sosynciere View Post
    Isn't it possible that our linebackers played well because of the dominance of our defensive lines? There was a time in the mid 2000s when the Ravens defense slipped a bit; the linebackers and Ray Lewis weren't producing the way they had in previous years. Ray Lewis in his exit interview demanded the team get a new nose tackle, someone who would take up two blockers and be able to hold his two gaps. Their first round pick: Haloti Ngata, and the return of the dominant defense.

    Our linebacker core definitely needs an upgrade, but I think what we saw in 2007 and 2011 were a result of our defensive lines more than great LB play. Remember in 2011, we almost didn't make the playoffs, playing terrible defense for much of the year as both Osi and Tuck spent time injured. We began to click as a defensive unit upon their return (and the timely returns of our secondary also). In other words, I think our, and generally speaking, LB play is a direct reflection of our defensive line's play.

    I do agree with Titwio that our linebackers are going to become more important playing against Griffin twice a year. I know the pistol is the new rage, but I wouldn't put too much stock into it if Griffin weren't in our division or if other top teams in our conference didn't run it. We won't see San Fran every year, so I wouldn't cater my defense to it. I'm very interested to see what Chip Kelly does in Philly however, because I'm not sure he'll have the pieces for his offense OR defense this next year.
    I think you make good points....and yes, the defensive line was a huge letdown this year.

    But still, the linebackers primary responsibility is to stop the running game, and by that measure, they really fell short this season.
    Last edited by joemorrisforprez; 02-10-2013, 06:46 PM.

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  • Sosynciere
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    Originally posted by joemorrisforprez View Post
    I'm going to argue the opposite......that when we get good production out of our linebackers, the defense takes a huge step up.

    Examples:

    2007: Antonio Pierce and Kawika Mitchell both were very productive.Torbor was good, and Kiwi also played well until he got injured.
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    2011: Chase Blackburn was signed in time to take stabilize the LB position. JWill started to come on. Boley had a career year.


    I've been beating this drum for years.....a playmaking LB would turn this defense into a potentially dominating unit. But right now, there isn't a single LB on the team that any opposing offensive coordinator needs to worry about. Which is why they are free to double and triple up guys like JPP.
    Isn't it possible that our linebackers played well because of the dominance of our defensive lines? There was a time in the mid 2000s when the Ravens defense slipped a bit; the linebackers and Ray Lewis weren't producing the way they had in previous years. Ray Lewis in his exit interview demanded the team get a new nose tackle, someone who would take up two blockers and be able to hold his two gaps. Their first round pick: Haloti Ngata, and the return of the dominant defense.

    Our linebacker core definitely needs an upgrade, but I think what we saw in 2007 and 2011 were a result of our defensive lines more than great LB play. Remember in 2011, we almost didn't make the playoffs, playing terrible defense for much of the year as both Osi and Tuck spent time injured. We began to click as a defensive unit upon their return (and the timely returns of our secondary also). In other words, I think our, and generally speaking, LB play is a direct reflection of our defensive line's play.

    I do agree with Titwio that our linebackers are going to become more important playing against Griffin twice a year. I know the pistol is the new rage, but I wouldn't put too much stock into it if Griffin weren't in our division or if other top teams in our conference didn't run it. We won't see San Fran every year, so I wouldn't cater my defense to it. I'm very interested to see what Chip Kelly does in Philly however, because I'm not sure he'll have the pieces for his offense OR defense this next year.

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  • jomo
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    Originally posted by blueribbon View Post
    We have fast LB'S we just don't blitz them.
    That's because we can get enough pressure from our DL alone..................oh wait.

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