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  • Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
    I know. That discrepancy runs rampant in these Eli threads. Drives me bat **** crazy.
    Well you do know that the rest of the team has nothing to do with those regular season wins regarding the other QB's. It's all their individual might and amazingness that wins those games, I mean cmon.

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    • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
      I never said Eli was perfect. (Why do people always assume this?) And if you want to use the pick excuse, then Drew Brees also set his team up for failure with his 19 interceptions, regardless of a horrible defense.
      Stop. Bree's also threw for 43 TD's and over 5,000 yards. He is a soluty not the reason why they stunk this year.

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      • eli was like 8/8 on 3rd and 8 or more at one point iirc, he was on fire. get outta here with this

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        • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
          You have to watch the game. What was he supposed to do? Play defense? Throw the ball and catch it? Run and not fumble? Who played against a better defense that night?
          He was supposed to somehow find a way to win because that's what elite quarterbacks do!!....You see how silly that sounds? People said that about Eli. That he's the QB and the leader of the team and he has to put the team on his back. Okay so what is Eli supposed to do when a hobbled Hakeem can't even extend for the ball, or Victor Cruz is dropping passes? Crap happens, just like Aaron Rodgers can't control is crappy defense, Eli can't control not having a stable offense. That's football. That doesn't mean he sucks or he's not being a leader. And I do think AR tried to lead his team, but he came up short. All QB's come up short, even the "elite" ones.
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
            My main point is mot to knock other QB's. What I'm trying to explain is it goes both ways. You can't say Eli should be able to lead a team, but other QB's don't have to because the rest of their team sucks, so it's okay. I don't even know where that came from. How would you or anybody else know that Eli didn't try to lead his team?
            The point is consistency. What game this year could you say that Eli was playing so we and the defense lost the game? Yes, the defense stunk, but he was not playing well either. Last year, until the defense some up he was carrying the team. See, one year great, the next year not. No consistency.

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            • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
              Stop. Bree's also threw for 43 TD's and over 5,000 yards. He is a soluty not the reason why they stunk this year.
              But he still threw 19 picks and went 7-9 and missed the playoffs. If you care about looking good losing then fine by me.
              Mood: WOOF!

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              • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                He was supposed to somehow find a way to win because that's what elite quarterbacks do!!....You see how silly that sounds? People said that about Eli. That he's the QB and the leader of the team and he has to put the team on his back. Okay so what is Eli supposed to do when a hobbled Hakeem can't even extend for the ball, or Victor Cruz is dropping passes? Crap happens, just like Aaron Rodgers can't control is crappy defense, Eli can't control not having a stable offense. That's football. That doesn't mean he sucks or he's not being a leader. And I do think AR tried to lead his team, but he came up short. All QB's come up short, even the "elite" ones.
                Just posted this in response to another comment, but its about consistency. Last year he lead his team. This year he did not.

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                • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                  The point is consistency. What game this year could you say that Eli was playing so we and the defense lost the game? Yes, the defense stunk, but he was not playing well either. Last year, until the defense some up he was carrying the team. See, one year great, the next year not. No consistency.
                  Because of other factors other people seem to ignore which is a hobbled Ahmad, an inconsistent o line and passing game. For ANYONE else, this is a good excuse, but for Eli it's not. That's my problem.
                  Mood: WOOF!

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                  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                    But he still threw 19 picks and went 7-9 and missed the playoffs. If you care about looking good losing then fine by me.
                    This is ridiculous. How do you compare the two this season?

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                    • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                      Just posted this in response to another comment, but its about consistency. Last year he lead his team. This year he did not.
                      Again, if I pointed out factors to you that lead to this teams downfall which btw Coughlin acknowledged, then you and others would deem them as excuses. Again, for any other QB it would be acceptable, but not Eli.
                      Mood: WOOF!

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                      • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                        This is ridiculous. How do you compare the two this season?
                        I was just using your "the defense sucked by Eli threw picks". Okay well Brees threw 43 touchdowns and 19 picks, 5 of them in one game. But because his stats are good then it was a successful season, woo!
                        Mood: WOOF!

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                        • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                          The point is consistency. What game this year could you say that Eli was playing so we and the defense lost the game? Yes, the defense stunk, but he was not playing well either. Last year, until the defense some up he was carrying the team. See, one year great, the next year not. No consistency.
                          no disrespect but ur hypocritical here. so rodgers gets the excuse for not being superman 2 yrs in a row bc of his D, but bc eli isnt superman 2 yrs in a row and carries all the defencies its bc of a void in talent or skill or sumthin

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                          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                            Because of other factors other people seem to ignore which is a hobbled Ahmad, an inconsistent o line and passing game. For ANYONE else, this is a good excuse, but for Eli it's not. That's my problem.
                            Like who? You make it sound like Eli is the only QB to deal with injuries. What's next? The OL? Look at Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, and Brady. They have all dealt with injuries and losing their targets while not always having the best OL's yet they stay consistent. When Eli is good he is really good. Just not as consistent as others.

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                            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                              I was just using your "the defense sucked by Eli threw picks". Okay well Brees threw 43 touchdowns and 19 picks, 5 of them in one game. But because his stats are good then it was a successful season, woo!
                              Was their season bad because of Brees? No. Not putting the entire season on Eli, but he did not play as well as he did the year before.

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                              • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                                Like who? You make it sound like Eli is the only QB to deal with injuries. What's next? The OL? Look at Rodgers, Brees, Peyton, and Brady. They have all dealt with injuries and losing their targets while not always having the best OL's yet they stay consistent. When Eli is good he is really good. Just not as consistent as others.
                                This is what I'm trying to point out to you. ALL of them go through injuries, things like that, that can effect certain outcomes. It happens.
                                Mood: WOOF!

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