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  • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
    The play was executed perfectly and it happened. Our defense gave up 17 points in 21 minutes and only gave up 17 points because our offense held the ball for 38 minutes. We are lucky Wes Welker panicked and didn't catch that pass on the blown coverage by our "lights out" defense.
    Lol. Right. So when the Giants offense didn't score points and punted the ball back to the Patriots how did the Giants offense then get the ball back? Could it be great defense forcing turnovers and punts? That's exactly what it was. The defense also set the tone for the game by scoring the first points of the game. Also, both Super Bowls ended with the defense on the field. Oh, and that play was still lucky. He heaved t up and the defenders where not there. It was luck. If you want to bring up plays that never happened you might want to bring up the interception that never happened in the first Super Bowl as well.
    Last edited by Buddy333; 02-18-2013, 02:14 PM.

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    • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
      He did have an interception at the end of that game actually.
      At the end of a game that was practically over is not losing the game.

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      • Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
        Yes, it's a team sport.

        It's a team sport when the Giants win. It's "Eli's inconsistency" when the Giants lose.

        It's a team sport when the Packers lose, and it's Rodgers' total awesomeness when the Packers win.

        Got it.
        This here is my problem with most people who deem Eli as average.

        It's the rationale/reasoning that's inconsistent and flawed. If one thinks Eli is average because of X, Y, and Z then that's fine, but it shouldn't apply to just him. Especially if another QB whom they are raving about does the same exact thing.
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
          At the end of a game that was practically over is not losing the game.
          Oh, well I guess interceptions are fine then if it's not close.
          Mood: WOOF!

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          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
            Well you said did he throw an interception, not did he throw it when the game wasn't over lol.
            Wrong. Did he have an interception at the end of a tight game? That's a lot different than throwing a meaningless interception and did NOT cost them the game.

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            • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
              Wrong. Did he have an interception at the end of a tight game? That's a lot different than throwing a meaningless interception and did NOT cost them the game.
              I re-edited my post.
              Mood: WOOF!

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              • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                Oh, well I guess interceptions are fine then if it's not close.
                So an interception thrown at the end of a tight game that seals the deal is the same as an interception thrown at the end of a game being dominated by the other team? Ok.

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                • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                  This here is my problem with most people who deem Eli as average.It's the rationale/reasoning that's inconsistent and flawed. If one thinks Eli is average because of X, Y, and Z then that's fine, but it shouldn't apply to just him. Especially if another QB whom they are raving about does the same exact thing.
                  How did Rodgers do the same exact thing?

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                  • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                    How did Rodgers do the same exact thing?
                    Not just Rodgers, QB's in general.
                    There's a double standard around here.
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                      So an interception thrown at the end of a tight game that seals the deal is the same as an interception thrown at the end of a game being dominated by the other team? Ok.
                      Can you highlight where I said it was the same thing? lol
                      Mood: WOOF!

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                      • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                        Oh, well I guess interceptions are fine then if it's not close.
                        Here you go. What does this have to do with throwing an interception in a tight game?
                        Last edited by Buddy333; 02-18-2013, 02:39 PM.

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                        • Here is one of your original points.

                          Playing against different teams with different personnel is going to cause different points scored, points given up, game planning, etc.........etc..........

                          Here is where you contradict yourself.

                          Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
                          You also fail to bring up that perhaps the biggest play for Green Bay Packers in SuperBowl XLV was a defensive one.
                          Here is where you contradict yourself again.

                          No matter how many times you want to claim it and how many times you quote stats, Eli Manning is a more successful post season QB than Aaron Rodgers is
                          first you say you cant compare success by looking at how players play against different teams, and then you talk about 2 different super bowls with 4 different teams. And then you mention Eli being more successful in the post season. The majority of his success came from playing against different teams. You're not making any sense so you could throw this logic out the window.



                          Your main point is invalid and you know it.
                          Buffy, forget about me trying to make a point. Forget about all of that. Im not trying to make a point right now. What im doing is telling you a couple facts. Rodgers averaged more passing yards, more touchdowns, fewer interceptions, and more points in the post season than eli. His defense has also given up more points than Eli's defense.

                          This is a fact, so it cant be debated. And you cant deny it because it is true. There is no way around it. You have to look at it face to face and accept it.

                          If your counter argument is that the numbers dont tell the whole story then thats cool. i won't discuss it further. But don't contradict yourself or stray off of the facts. Address the facts first.
                          Last edited by Marvelousmik; 02-18-2013, 02:36 PM.
                          Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                          ~Big Mike~

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                          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                            Not just Rodgers, QB's in general.There's a double standard around here.
                            How so? What game this year did Eli have a good game and the rest of the team let him down?

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                            • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                              If the Giants defense does not play the way they did in both Super Bowl games they do not win. It's that simple. Of course the same could be said about Eli. That's why it's a team sport.
                              You are trying to reason with a guy who can't be reasoned with.
                              That's why I rarely respond to his posts anymore.

                              Trust me....I've been there.......Let it go.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
                                How so? What game this year did Eli have a good game and the rest of the team let him down?
                                I don't like "let him down", but rather they didn't play up to expectations. I would say the first Cowboys game.
                                Mood: WOOF!

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