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  • #91
    Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
    Eli talks about what happens when called out in the video. Watch starting at about 1:40. It is funny.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhyIcPveCFk
    thank you
    see he likes being called out. when he was called skittish by the GM, he stepped it up. tiki comments he stepped it up. when he said he was as good as brady ,people laughed and mocked and Eli delivered . now herm -lets see.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by jomo View Post
      I don't think it's right to get personal. He was simply an average ball player and an abysmal failure as a coach. That's not personal is it?? lol
      No but it is an ad-hominem attack which is considered a weak argument -- because you're attacking the credibility of the person who made the statement, not the validity of the statement itself.

      But in either case it doesn't matter, because Herm is a non-credible person making a non-credible statement.
      8-Time NFL Champions - 1927 1934 1938 1956 1986 1990 2007 2011

      "You win close games because you're prepared to do it. It doesn't just come down to luck." -- Bill Parcells

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      • #93
        Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
        I find this ironic that folks on this boards are actually more upset about Herm Edwards comments about Eli manning than they are about his "miracle at the Meadowlands." Man, that one hurts.
        Less than half the people on these boards understand the reference to the "debacle at the Meadowlands" believing that the history of the world happened in the last 30 days.
        No one remembers who came in second.

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        • #94
          When did Eli ever play defense? He must have played defense if he beat other QB's because QB's don't play on the field at the same time to say he ever beat a QB. Who was the QB that he beat twice in his own house to go to the Super Bowl twice? Oh, and Rogers is the best QB in the game today.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
            Oh, and Rogers is the best QB in the game today.
            I am going to call BS on this statement simply because if he were the best QB in the game today, you would know that his last name is Rodgers and not Rogers. JMO, though.

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            • #96
              Originally posted by StrahanSoup92 View Post
              Herm Edwards was one of the worst coaches in the NFL, period. His opinions mean nothing.
              That's actually not true at all.

              Herm was not a horrible coach. He was the kind of coach that would take a team with 11-5 talent and go 9-7. There have certainly been worse coaches than Herm.
              Last edited by TCHOF; 02-15-2013, 10:24 AM.

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              • #97
                I'm getting more than a little tired of people implying that there is something wrong with those of us who defend Eli!
                I'm not drinking some kind of "Eli Manning is great" koolade, I simply rebutt any Eli criticism that I personally find to be unfair.
                Too many members here are acting like self appointed "thread police" lately ...criticizing others for starting threads they deem unworthy of existence!
                "I'M ALL FOR IT!"

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by GameTime View Post
                  I like Herm Edwards and I really dont care what he thinks of Eli....

                  So he doesnt think he belongs with the greats in the league right now.......so what
                  YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME ..... HELLO!
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
                    If he wants to call Eli "not elite", go right ahead. Eli sure didn't look elite for most of this past season anyway.

                    But to call him a "child" is just outright ridiculous. Two super bowl MVPs doesn't give Eli the right to sit at the grown-ups table?

                    Oh and Morehead, I would just like to point out that I only attacked the point, no ad hominem against Herm in the above comments I just made. So I don't want to hear that...
                    He wasn't calling anyone a child. he was trying (and obviously failing) to make a slightly humorous analogy.
                    Everyone needs to calm down here. He wasn't trying to insult anyone.

                    And I was talking about the general tone of the thread and not going after any specific poster. I know I'm a pain but I just gotta call this **** out sometimes.
                    Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                    • Originally posted by bigblue58 View Post
                      I'm getting more than a little tired of people implying that there is something wrong with those of us who defend Eli!
                      I'm not drinking some kind of "Eli Manning is great" koolade, I simply rebutt any Eli criticism that I personally find to be unfair.
                      Too many members here are acting like self appointed "thread police" lately ...criticizing others for starting threads they deem unworthy of existence!
                      Wow...what a great post. It is very obvious that some posters main agenda on this board is to try to make any "fan" of Eli feel like they've done something wrong by defending him. Just about every Eli topic eventually spins in that direction...as if they have some sort of phobia. It's as if they feel their main purpose in life is to try to demean every accomplishment and to exagerate any mistake he makes.

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                      • Originally posted by bigblue58 View Post
                        I'm getting more than a little tired of people implying that there is something wrong with those of us who defend Eli!
                        I'm not drinking some kind of "Eli Manning is great" koolade, I simply rebutt any Eli criticism that I personally find to be unfair.
                        Too many members here are acting like self appointed "thread police" lately ...criticizing others for starting threads they deem unworthy of existence!
                        That's fine. I get that completely. I personally think the "kids table" comment made no sense at all. But clearly he was just trying to be colorful. It IS ESPN after all.
                        And anyone is free to defend Eli. I would defend Eli in this context because I don't think Edwards was giving Eli near enough credit. Its not the defending of Eli that bothers me at all. Its the attacks on Edwards. Its the suggestion that since he had a losing record as a HC, he has no understanding of football and is in no position to comment on current players. Its the suggestions that posters on a MB, none of whom every played or coached a down in the NFL are therefore MORE credible than this guy.
                        We all have our opinions and they are what they are. But I knew the reaction wouldn't be "Edwards is wrong and here's why". It was "Edwards is a ******* and an incompetent".
                        Thats not really a defense of Eli at all.
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • Lol. It goes both ways people. There are posters who defend Eli to no end and then there are posters who pick on his every move.

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                          • Originally posted by nygfanmaybe View Post
                            Wow...what a great post. It is very obvious that some posters main agenda on this board is to try to make any "fan" of Eli feel like they've done something wrong by defending him. Just about every Eli topic eventually spins in that direction...as if they have some sort of phobia. It's as if they feel their main purpose in life is to try to demean every accomplishment and to exagerate any mistake he makes.
                            You are failing to understand my point here completely. My comments have nothing to do with Eli. As I said, I disagree with his point about Eli.
                            My point is the overreaction of posters to any public comments that aren't glowing of Eli.
                            And to attack anyone who dares express such views.
                            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              http://gmenhq.com/2013/02/14/espn-he...ards-diss-eli/

                              Excerpt: "This morning I put on the Colin Cowherd show on ESPN as I was getting dressed, and they bring in Herm Edwards as an expert analyst of the NFL . Herm played 9 seasons in the NFL and coached two different teams compiling a record of 54-74 in the regular season and 2-4 in the playoffs. Edwards was known as a motivator, a rah rah guy that was good for morale. This quote about Edwards as a head coach says a lot:

                              Overall, Edward’s tenure as head coach of the Jets was marred by chronic clock management problems, an ultra-conservative “play not to lose” mentality, and a lack of any discernable defensive philosophy, despite Edwards’ supposed expertise in the Cover 2 defense.


                              My point here is that Herm was probably not the best talent evaluator as a Head Coach leading to his poor record and general lack of success…but put a coat and a tie on a guy and he’s an expert. The conversation this morning was the usual off season nonsense until it turned to QB’s in the NFL. Herm made the proclamation…and one that I agree with…that there can’t be 8 ELITE QB’s in the league…there can only be 4. Good point because you are supposed to be comparing them to each other, not some imaginary set of numbers. He prefaced his list with the “In the last FIVE or so years” these are my Elite QB’s….This is where Herm gets lost.

                              When asked about ELI, he said “He can sit at the kids table, but he can’t order from the menu”. Really Herm?
                              • Pro Bowl (2008, 2011, 2012)
                              • Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
                              • Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
                              • NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
                              • Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8) (2011)
                              • Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)
                              Eli also beat your number one guy on the list TWICE in his building to get to the Super Bowl, and then beat the number two guy on your list TWICE in the Super Bowl.Obviously Winning is not a priority with Herm as he evaluates QB’s. Super Bowl Champion QB’s the last 6 years include two of the guys on his list, and the guy who won TWO of the others can’t make the grade.More proof that putting a coat and tie on a guy doesn’t make him an expert." Read more...



                              Well that's the problem with declaring a QB "Elite" because everyone has their own definition. If you can only have 4 elite QB's, then I think he is correct. But I think that there are 6 Elite QB's - Brady, Rogers, Brees, Payton M, Eli M. and Big Ben (not in that order).

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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                My point is the overreaction of posters to any public comments that aren't glowing of Eli.
                                And to attack anyone who dares express such views.
                                Eli is a religion.

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