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  • RoanokeFan
    started a topic ESPN, Herm Edwards Diss Eli

    ESPN, Herm Edwards Diss Eli

    http://gmenhq.com/2013/02/14/espn-he...ards-diss-eli/

    Excerpt: "This morning I put on the Colin Cowherd show on ESPN as I was getting dressed, and they bring in Herm Edwards as an expert analyst of the NFL . Herm played 9 seasons in the NFL and coached two different teams compiling a record of 54-74 in the regular season and 2-4 in the playoffs. Edwards was known as a motivator, a rah rah guy that was good for morale. This quote about Edwards as a head coach says a lot:

    Overall, Edward’s tenure as head coach of the Jets was marred by chronic clock management problems, an ultra-conservative “play not to lose” mentality, and a lack of any discernable defensive philosophy, despite Edwards’ supposed expertise in the Cover 2 defense.


    My point here is that Herm was probably not the best talent evaluator as a Head Coach leading to his poor record and general lack of success…but put a coat and a tie on a guy and he’s an expert. The conversation this morning was the usual off season nonsense until it turned to QB’s in the NFL. Herm made the proclamation…and one that I agree with…that there can’t be 8 ELITE QB’s in the league…there can only be 4. Good point because you are supposed to be comparing them to each other, not some imaginary set of numbers. He prefaced his list with the “In the last FIVE or so years” these are my Elite QB’s….This is where Herm gets lost.

    When asked about ELI, he said “He can sit at the kids table, but he can’t order from the menu”. Really Herm?
    • 3 Pro Bowl (2008, 2011, 2012)
    • 2 Super Bowl champion (XLII, XLVI)
    • 2 Super Bowl MVP (XLII, XLVI)
    • NFL Record most 4th quarter touchdown passes in a season (15)
    • Tied NFL Record most game-winning drives in a season (8) (2011)
    • Most road wins in a single regular season and postseason by a starting quarterback (10)

    Eli also beat your number one guy on the list TWICE in his building to get to the Super Bowl, and then beat the number two guy on your list TWICE in the Super Bowl.Obviously Winning is not a priority with Herm as he evaluates QB’s. Super Bowl Champion QB’s the last 6 years include two of the guys on his list, and the guy who won TWO of the others can’t make the grade.More proof that putting a coat and tie on a guy doesn’t make him an expert." Read more...


    Last edited by RoanokeFan; 02-14-2013, 07:48 PM.

  • 4thand1
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    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    But "points allowed" is a key goal. At least from a defense's perspective.
    If you hold great offenses to less than 20 points, you are doing your job extremely well.
    And once again, completely ignoring the number of possessions

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  • Morehead State
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    Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
    That's funny.


    When I first joined the site and defended Eli, you accused me of being someone else's account.



    Guess it's only reasonable if YOU attack other posters.
    Why is that hard to figure out?

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  • 4thand1
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    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    The "Eli crowd" are the folks that attack you when you dare to say anything that resembles criticism of our QB. Positive comments about anyone don't bother me. If I disagree, I will say so.
    Its called discussion of football on the Giants MB.
    That's funny.


    When I first joined the site and defended Eli, you accused me of being someone else's account.


    Guess it's only reasonable if YOU attack other posters.

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  • Morehead State
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    Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
    16 consecutive passes isn't an indication of how well a defence performs?

    And as I have pointed out, the pats had only 7 total possessions aside from the safety and the 55 second drive to end the game, simply looking at points allowed is misleading
    But "points allowed" is a key goal. At least from a defense's perspective.
    If you hold great offenses to less than 20 points, you are doing your job extremely well.

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  • 4thand1
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    Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
    Why does the amount of consecutive passes completed matter? Don't points decide who wins?
    16 consecutive passes isn't an indication of how well a defence performs?

    And as I have pointed out, the pats had only 7 total possessions aside from the safety and the 55 second drive to end the game, simply looking at points allowed is misleading

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  • Morehead State
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    Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
    LOL
    The "Eli crowd" are the folks that attack you when you dare to say anything that resembles criticism of our QB. Positive comments about anyone don't bother me. If I disagree, I will say so.
    Its called discussion of football on the Giants MB.

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  • 4thand1
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    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Are you so simple that you actually believe that pro-Eli comments bother me?
    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    The entire Eli crowd drives me nuts.
    LOL

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  • Buddy333
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    Why does the amount of consecutive passes completed matter? Don't points decide who wins?

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  • Morehead State
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    Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
    Take your own advice then. Don't like the pro Eli comments? Don't read them.
    Are you so simple that you actually believe that pro-Eli comments bother me? Since you are clearly smart enough to turn a computer on, this can't be so.

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  • Morehead State
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    Originally posted by FBomb View Post
    Now, where's the fun in THAT, I ask you?

    I'd rather just obsess on your obsession if it's all the same to you. At least until draft day.

    For the record.....I am not "following" you around. One only has to open a 26 page Eli thread to find you and your 13 pages worth of posts.
    Just a little humor F.

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  • FBomb
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    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Obsession?....You mean like following me around on the MB continually saying this?

    I get it.

    Morehead will fight the power. Morehead will oppose tyranny where ever he sees it until the wrongs are made right.

    You don't like it?...... don't read my posts.
    Now, where's the fun in THAT, I ask you?

    I'd rather just obsess on your obsession if it's all the same to you. At least until draft day.

    For the record.....I am not "following" you around. One only has to open a 26 page Eli thread to find you and your 13 pages worth of posts.
    Last edited by FBomb; 02-24-2013, 12:29 PM.

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  • 4thand1
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    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    The entire Eli crowd drives me nuts.
    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    You don't like it?...... don't read my posts.
    Take your own advice then. Don't like the pro Eli comments? Don't read them.

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  • Morehead State
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    Originally posted by FBomb View Post
    Obsession?....You mean like following me around on the MB continually saying this?

    I get it.

    Morehead will fight the power. Morehead will oppose tyranny where ever he sees it until the wrongs are made right.

    You don't like it?...... don't read my posts.

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  • Morehead State
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    Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
    He was simply stating the defense wasn't outstanding. Considering they allowed 16 straight completions it isn't far fetched.


    You are reading things that aren't there and are basically attacking a straw man argument.


    Good job.
    Thanks for the love.

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