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  • #61
    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
    There's no such thing as bad players ... just bad coaches.
    LOL, can't find the red font?
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Toadofsteel View Post
      Now we should hire Buddy Ryan as Offensive Quality Control coach. Yeah he was known more for defense, but he's not afraid to punch killdrive, and that's all the quality control I need...
      I second this... Someone get this man a cold beverage!!!

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      • #63
        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
        LOL, can't find the red font?
        You or me? Because I'm totally serious
        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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        • #64
          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
          No, you apparently have no ability to grade players at all if all of them are supposedly great but coaching is the problem.

          Like perry said, guys were in position to make plays, but failed to do it. Webster the game against Baltimore shows that. His technique was good most of the game. He was in position to get his hand on the ball and break up plays. But he didn't. That's not fewells fault.
          Great example ... you have a CB having difficulty being on an island ... where's the Safety help?

          Nuff said.
          I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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          • #65
            Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
            You or me? Because I'm totally serious
            Well, go figure. Let's say you were the DC at the start of 2012. Your expectation would logically be that the "Fearsome Foursome" would return at the same level as they ended 2011. It would seem logical that you, the DC, would plan your defense around those proven, heralded players.

            Instead, you ended up with the Terrible Twosome in Tuck and Umenyiora. How would you have foreseen that? Given their veteran status, what would you have done to have them play up to their expectations? The CBA doesn't allow for a lot of contact practice, hell you can't wear pads most of the time now. I can buy that everyone has a hand in wins and losses, but to give those particular players a pass is really beyond logical.
            Last edited by RoanokeFan; 02-21-2013, 03:32 PM.
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
              Great example ... you have a CB having difficulty being on an island ... where's the Safety help?

              Nuff said.
              Difficulties? But isn't everyone "great" just by virtue of being in the NFL?
              My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                Difficulties? But isn't everyone "great" just by virtue of being in the NFL?
                Yes ... great athletes. This is why scheme and coaching are so important.
                I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  Well, go figure. Let's say you were the DC at the start of 2012. Your expectation would logically be that the "Fearsome Foursome" would return at the same level as they ended 2011. It would seem logical that you, the DC, would plan your defense around those proven, heralded players.

                  Instead, you ended up with the Terrible Twosome in Tuck and Umenyiora. How would you have foreseen that? Given their veteran status, what would you have done to have them play up to their expectations? The CBA doesn't allow for a lot of contact practice, hell you can't wear pads most of the time now. I can buy that everyone has a hand in wins and losses, but to give those particular players a pass is really beyond logical.
                  Ok again, great example. What do you do as a DC when your pass rush isn't getting home and you want to apply pressure? You blitz. The Giants were one of the least blitzing defenses in 2012. That's on the coach. What did PF do? He dialed up the same rush again and again and again. Heck the DTs were playing almost identical techs every snap. That's atrocious coaching.

                  Yes player productivity can decline. When you have multiple players mysteriously "decline" in the same year, you have to look at the coach.

                  Notice that JPP was a force the first half of the season and almost non-existent the second half? Do you think he declined too? Same with Linval Joseph.

                  One player I can buy ... if it was just CWeb or just Tuck or just Osi or just JPP or just Joseph ... then anomaly. When it's all of them .... coaching.
                  I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                    Ok again, great example. What do you do as a DC when your pass rush isn't getting home and you want to apply pressure? You blitz. The Giants were one of the least blitzing defenses in 2012. That's on the coach. What did PF do? He dialed up the same rush again and again and again. Heck the DTs were playing almost identical techs every snap. That's atrocious coaching.

                    Yes player productivity can decline. When you have multiple players mysteriously "decline" in the same year, you have to look at the coach.

                    Notice that JPP was a force the first half of the season and almost non-existent the second half? Do you think he declined too? Same with Linval Joseph.

                    One player I can buy ... if it was just CWeb or just Tuck or just Osi or just JPP or just Joseph ... then anomaly. When it's all of them .... coaching.
                    We'll just agree to disagree. Players have to be responsible for something besides cashing their checks.
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      We'll just agree to disagree. Players have to be responsible for something besides cashing their checks.
                      So do coaches.

                      And you know me ... I've never been one to bash coaches quickly. I've always been a KG supporter (and still am) and I've usually been a TC supporter.

                      I had to give PF credit for how 2011 ended, but let's face it ... the guy's laurels consists of four games over three years.
                      Last edited by Kruunch; 02-21-2013, 03:51 PM.
                      I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                        Yes ... great athletes. This is why scheme and coaching are so important.
                        So any player that sucks in the NFL does so because of his coaches, even if other players in the same scheme are excelling?
                        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                          Great example ... you have a CB having difficulty being on an island ... where's the Safety help?

                          Nuff said.
                          LOL

                          What do you do when the pass rush isnt getting to the QB AND the DBs cant cover?

                          Then you cant blitz or double guys.

                          Then Fewell has to resort to magic.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            LOL

                            What do you do when the pass rush isnt getting to the QB AND the DBs cant cover?

                            Then you cant blitz or double guys.

                            Then Fewell has to resort to magic.
                            If the pass rush isn't getting there and the DBs can't cover, you HAVE to blitz. That's just defense 101. Either that or watch some team throw up a 50 burger on you.

                            Accordingly. sometimes you just have to give props to the team you're playing against, Since you brought up the Ravens game this year, how many times was Webster in perfect position, made a play on the ball and Torrey Smith still caught it? Some of those plays weren't a result of "bad" play by CWeb, but rather outstanding play by Flacco/Smith. Gotta give credit where credit is due.

                            Again, if it was just one guy, I'd concede the point. When it's more than half your unit, some of which are Pro Bowl caliber players, you have to look at the coach. I don't understand why this is such a hard concept for you to follow. Sometimes it's not everybody else ... sometimes it's just you (re: PF).
                            I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                              So any player that sucks in the NFL does so because of his coaches, even if other players in the same scheme are excelling?
                              You're a big boy, you'll figure it out.
                              I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Kruunch View Post
                                If the pass rush isn't getting there and the DBs can't cover, you HAVE to blitz. That's just defense 101. Either that or watch some team throw up a 50 burger on you.
                                So you are saying webster shouldn't have received any safety help against the ravens then.

                                I thought you were just arguing that he should have had safety help?

                                I love how no matter the play call its the coaches fault.

                                And surely you can't be rewarding flacco and Torrey smith for making plays, there are no good players. Clearly coaching is the reason smith caught those balls instead of Webster.

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