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  • #46
    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    Who used the term "lights out"?

    And Ernie called Collins into his office, thold him he had to take a pay cut. All this right after they traded the store for Eli. If I'm a QB who still thinks he can play...I say release me.
    And it has nothing to do with not being a "better man".
    Sorry, I forgot he other part of your post:
    He actually moved on to being the back-up in Oakland (only getting in later that year after Gannon was injured. He started the following year but was yanked mid season)

    His salary was well more than 2 million less than his number with the Gmen.

    "A few days after that trade, even though Giants General Manager Ernie Accorsi said he laid out a deal in which Collins would still make $7 million this season, Collins chose to move on and avoid being the one pushed out in favor of a rookie."

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/25/sp...e-raiders.html

    We done here?
    Last edited by Delicreep; 02-22-2013, 02:20 PM.
    Every single day I log onto this message board thinking i've seen it all, every single day I am wrong...NYGiants2120

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      2004 Giants with Warner: .......5 wins 4 losses
      2004 Giants with Manning:.... 1 win 6 losses.
      So when Eli loses, it's fair to compare records.

      But when Eli wins 2 SBs, it's a team game all of a sudden.

      You could just point out Eli's rookie stats, and I'd agree with you that he was terrible his rookie year, but your double standard is sickening.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
        So when Eli loses, it's fair to compare records.

        But when Eli wins 2 SBs, it's a team game all of a sudden.

        You could just point out Eli's rookie stats, and I'd agree with you that he was terrible his rookie year, but your double standard is sickening.
        How many screen names do some of you people have? Jeebus.
        http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
        http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
        http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

        Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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        • #49
          Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
          How many screen names do some of you people have? Jeebus.
          lol I thought it was just me who thought that.
          No one remembers who came in second.

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          • #50
            Me too when I saw the 1 post. We have become skeptical.

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            • #51
              That was my first post so I must have multiple accounts, right?


              You're pathetic

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              • #52
                Great player .... a bit holier than thou for my tastes.

                I wouldn't shoot heroin with him.
                I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
                  So when Eli loses, it's fair to compare records.

                  But when Eli wins 2 SBs, it's a team game all of a sudden.

                  You could just point out Eli's rookie stats, and I'd agree with you that he was terrible his rookie year, but your double standard is sickening.
                  Double standard? What double standard are we talking about?
                  Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    Double standard? What double standard are we talking about?
                    So when Eli loses, it's fair to compare records.

                    But when Eli wins 2 SBs, it's a team game all of a sudden.

                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    2004 Giants with Warner: .......5 wins 4 losses
                    2004 Giants with Manning:.... 1 win 6 losses.
                    Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    And the SB's are not individual achievements. they are team achievements. It takes a lot of components. including good QB play to win a championship. Eli has benefited from some outstanding defensive play in the playoffs of late. (Well since 2007) In the 8 games of our 2 SB runs, our defense has yet to give up 21 points. That's just unspeakably good.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
                      So when Eli loses, it's fair to compare records.

                      But when Eli wins 2 SBs, it's a team game all of a sudden.

                      I'm talking about Eli as a rookie. Playing with the exact same team as Warner.

                      The reasons why this isn't clear to you might be worth examining.

                      Clearly you are far too harsh to be Buffy or 420. They are generally joviol bloaks.

                      You MUST be ElidaMANning.
                      Last edited by Morehead State; 02-22-2013, 05:19 PM.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        I'm talking about Eli as a rookie. Playing with the exact same team as Warner.

                        The reasons why this isn't clear to you might be worth examining.

                        Clearly you are far too harsh to be Buffy or 420. They are generally joviol bloaks.

                        You MUST be ElidaMANning.
                        So you're assuming that in a regular season, the team production minus the QB is constant. That makes perfect sense. And the quality of opponents doesn't change. Very good conclusion.

                        And you pointed out the defence never gave up 21 in Eli's 8 playoff wins, but you left out the part where the defence never gave up more than 14 in Warner's 5 wins in 2004.


                        Just pointing out how hypocritical that was.

                        And since I disagree with you and just joined today I must be someone's other account, right? Wow you're so ignorant.

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                        • #57
                          Mood: WOOF!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                            How many screen names do some of you people have? Jeebus.
                            Originally posted by jomo View Post
                            lol I thought it was just me who thought that.
                            From Kez Simpson to Dark Saint to EliDaManning, we have a new joker in our midsts.
                            http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
                            http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
                            http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

                            Entire Team Let Eli down today - NYG4l

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                            • #59
                              15 pages later...

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by 4thand1 View Post
                                So you're assuming that in a regular season, the team production minus the QB is constant. That makes perfect sense. And the quality of opponents doesn't change. Very good conclusion.

                                And you pointed out the defence never gave up 21 in Eli's 8 playoff wins, but you left out the part where the defence never gave up more than 14 in Warner's 5 wins in 2004.


                                Just pointing out how hypocritical that was.

                                And since I disagree with you and just joined today I must be someone's other account, right? Wow you're so ignorant.
                                Keep fishing babe. I already told you that I'm not biting.
                                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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