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Giants' Eli Manning Slated To Have League's Highest CAP Number in 2013

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  • #76
    ALL professional athletes are overpaid. Singling out ELI (a 2 time SB MVP, a class act, and a guy who has ALREADY restructured his contract more than once to help his team) is asinine.

    What's more, he will probably restructure AGAIN and won't get any credit for it from some of you.......and you know who you are.
    I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by FBomb View Post
      ALL professional athletes are overpaid. Singling out ELI (a 2 time SB MVP, a class act, and a guy who has ALREADY restructured his contract more than once to help his team) is asinine.

      What's more, he will probably restructure AGAIN and won't get any credit for it from some of you.......and you know who you are.
      Well it's not like he takes any less money when restructuring. It usually benefits both parties. He gets cash up front and it helps them spread the cap hit over remaining years. One thing is for sure though! When/if he does restructure, there will be many people on these boards next year that will be complaining about his cap hit and not understanding that it is a result of the restructures.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by FBomb View Post
        ALL professional athletes are overpaid. Singling out ELI (a 2 time SB MVP, a class act, and a guy who has ALREADY restructured his contract more than once to help his team) is asinine. What's more, he will probably restructure AGAIN and won't get any credit for it from some of you.......and you know who you are.
        No player deservespraise for a simple restructure, because not only doesn't it involve no sacrifice from a player, it serves to benefit them. Now, renegotiating a deal, that's another story.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
          Yes they probably will, but how long will it take? Another 17 years?
          Possibly, but then again, it could take 17 years even with Eli. It isn't just about the QB, it is about the O-line (see last year), the receivers, the running game and... yes... even the defense. One man doesn't win a SB by himself. Some thought that the Giants season was over when Simms got hurt... we all know how that turned out. Because it is about the entire team, not just one guy.

          To be clear, I am not saying Eli is overpaid. I am just saying that some push the argument just a little too far.
          My goal had been to win a championship, work toward the Hall of Fame, have my jersey retired by the team and I`d go in as a lifelong New York Giant, but I`m now resigned to the fact that this won`t happen. -- Michael Strahan, just when you think you're down...

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Drez View Post
            No player deservespraise for a simple restructure, because not only doesn't it involve no sacrifice from a player, it serves to benefit them. Now, renegotiating a deal, that's another story.
            True, but players don't renegotiate contracts for less money.
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            • #81
              Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
              Manningham left a pass-first offense for a rush-first offense, piloted by an average quarterback. He then landed himself on IR.
              Hard to have success when you're unable to take to the field.
              Giants are not a pass first offense.

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              • #82
                Originally posted by fizzlesticks View Post
                Giants are not a pass first offense.
                Really?? They would rather be more balenced but for the past 3 or 4 years they are def a pass first team.
                Last edited by nhpgiantsfan; 03-02-2013, 11:09 AM.
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                • #83
                  Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                  Really?? They would rather be more balenced but for the past 3 or 4 years they are def a pass first team.
                  Just because their run game is terrible doesn't mean it isn't their first choice. The Packers, Lions and Saints are pass first teams.

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                  • #84
                    The QB and WR's are the teams three best players. They may run more if Wilson is the real deal. But they have def been a pass happy offense of late, regardless of the reason. They have led the league or been at the top of the league in passing plays greater than 20 yards. Ultimately they would love an equally balanced attack, but when describing this team over the past few years , it is def a passing offense..
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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
                      The QB and WR's are the teams three best players. They may run more if Wilson is the real deal. But they have def been a pass happy offense of late, regardless of the reason. They have led the league or been at the top of the league in passing plays greater than 20 yards. Ultimately they would love an equally balanced attack, but when describing this team over the past few years , it is def a passing offense..
                      It all depends on what you mean by a "pass first offense" or a "pass happy offense". The Giants have never given up on the running game and always run a balance of run versus pass plays if you base it on the number of plays. It is true that their pass game has been more effective than their run game the past two seasons especially in 2011 but that is not my definition of a "pass first offense".

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                      • #86
                        Poor choice of words. Yes, "pass happy" is more what I meant.

                        Anyway, the point was that the Giants pass a hell of a lot more than the Niners, not what type of offense the they run.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                          Poor choice of words. Yes, "pass happy" is more what I meant.

                          Anyway, the point was that the Giants pass a hell of a lot more than the Niners, not what type of offense the they run.
                          This past season the Giants had more pass attempts (103 more) than the Niners, that's true. An average of 6.5 more attempts per game.

                          But as the Giants were 21st in the league in pass attempts, and the Niners were 31st in attempts, to say the Giants are "pass happy" or that they "pass a hell of a lot more than the Niners" is quite an overstatement. After all, 20 teams attempted more passes than did the Giants this year.

                          And as you acknowledged, and as danielboone stated, while the Giants have arguably been more effective with their pass game the last couple of years, that is not the same as their offense being a "pass first" or even a "pass happy" offense, relative to the rest of the league.

                          As to whether either the Giants' or the Niners' style of offense is or was more conducive to Manningham's effectiveness as a receiver, comparing him to his last year with the Giants and his first year with the Niners--Mannigham played in exactly the same number of games (12) in 2011 and 2012, he started the exact same number of games (9) in 2011 and 2012, he even received 3 more passes in 2012 than he did in 2011. His only fall-off in production in 2012 was his average yards per catch (13.4 in 2011, vs a pedestrian 10.7 average with the Niners).

                          So enough, already, with excuses for Manningham's "fall-off" in production with the Niners. Clearly his yac fell of, which has nothing to do with how many targets he had in SF.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                            This past season the Giants had more pass attempts (103 more) than the Niners, that's true. An average of 6.5 more attempts per game.

                            But as the Giants were 21st in the league in pass attempts, and the Niners were 31st in attempts, to say the Giants are "pass happy" or that they "pass a hell of a lot more than the Niners" is quite an overstatement. After all, 20 teams attempted more passes than did the Giants this year.

                            And as you acknowledged, and as danielboone stated, while the Giants have arguably been more effective with their pass game the last couple of years, that is not the same as their offense being a "pass first" or even a "pass happy" offense, relative to the rest of the league.

                            As to whether either the Giants' or the Niners' style of offense is or was more conducive to Manningham's effectiveness as a receiver, comparing him to his last year with the Giants and his first year with the Niners--Mannigham played in exactly the same number of games (12) in 2011 and 2012, he started the exact same number of games (9) in 2011 and 2012, he even received 3 more passes in 2012 than he did in 2011. His only fall-off in production in 2012 was his average yards per catch (13.4 in 2011, vs a pedestrian 10.7 average with the Niners).

                            So enough, already, with excuses for Manningham's "fall-off" in production with the Niners. Clearly his yac fell of, which has nothing to do with how many targets he had in SF.
                            Ok so we won't give the offense any ***les. But what is indisputable is that the strength of this offense is the passing game. That is our biggest threat. This may start to change in the David Wilson era, but for now. Our strength is in the air.
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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by fizzlesticks View Post
                              Just because their run game is terrible doesn't mean it isn't their first choice. The Packers, Lions and Saints are pass first teams.
                              We are most certainly a pass first/pass oriented offense. Though, we do strive for balance, our offense is predicated upon the pass.

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                He's NOT getting PAID $20M, that's his CAP hit
                                Not sure I understand the difference. Explain a cap hit and actual salary for the year.
                                Everyone has the right to be stupid. Some just abuse the privilege.

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