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  • #31
    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    I am sure you're right, I happen to think Cruz has unique talents, and do you want me to talk to Jerry about a work out for your pooch? Reese is likely to wait until the last moment to apply the tender.
    For full disclosure, my dog passed many years ago. But, Zombie Dog would be lethal in the NFL.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by BigBlueAllDay View Post
      Good Question. I'm going to say Reese has to exactly match the contract offer because Cruz would have had to sign the 49ers' contract offer sheet beforehand to force Reese's decision on matching or taking the draft pick. Basically, Cruz is effectively signed to the contract when he puts his signature on the paper. It's just a matter of who will own his contract.
      The damn CBA was written by lawyers in an attempt to confuse the uneducated lol
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #33
        Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
        That's a great question about how you have to match. Like, what if the guaranteed money was the same and the overall value was the same, but more back loaded?
        Yes, something like that. I keep reading the CBA which I find fruitless. The get into "Principal Terms" of the offer that have to be specified by both the Club making the offer and the player. So that suggests, to me, not every term has to be exactly the same. Are we having fun yet?
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Drez View Post
          For full disclosure, my dog passed many years ago. But, Zombie Dog would be lethal in the NFL.
          Sorry for your loss
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • #35
            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            Sorry for your loss
            Nah. It was her time to go.Valar morghulis. I suppose that applies to dogs, too.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Drez View Post
              Nah. It was her time to go.Valar morghulis. I suppose that applies to dogs, too.
              No desire to replace?
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #37
                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                No desire to replace?
                Well, my parents had ended up getting a new dog until they had to move. My wife and I would love one, but don't have the space for a pooch in our current apartment.

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                • #38
                  The 49ers are going to have a lot of guys to pay very soon. No way they make a run a Cruz.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                    Yes, something like that. I keep reading the CBA which I find fruitless. The get into "Principal Terms" of the offer that have to be specified by both the Club making the offer and the player. So that suggests, to me, not every term has to be exactly the same. Are we having fun yet?
                    Absolutely. Looks like you're correct. You made me read the CBA. The CBA if anyone else wants to read it. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

                    Principal Terms: Article 9, Section 3, Part (e), p. 40.

                    "Salary, which shall consist only of (a) the fixed and specified dollar amounts the New Club will pay, guarantee or lend to the Restricted Free Agent and/or his designees (currently and/or as deferred compensation in specified installments on specified dates) in consideration for his services as a football player under the Player Contract (i.e., signing bonus, Paragraph 5 Salary, and reporting and roster bonuses); "

                    If there's performance-based provisions in the offer sheet: "(b) Salary that is variable and/or is subject to calculation only upon the following bases: (1) based upon the performance of the Club extending the Offer Sheet (only those in-centives which are "likely to be earned" by the player if he enters into a Player Contract with the New Club, pursuant to Subsection (c) above, must be matched by the Prior Club for the purpose of exercising a Right of First Refusal, and such incentives may not exceed 15% of the Salary in the Offer Sheet)"

                    Section (g): Incentives also basically repeats this.

                    Basically if the 49ers put a $10 million incentive for Cruz to break 2,000 yards receiving in a season in the offer sheet, Giants most likely won't need to match that part of the offer sheet.
                    However, if the 49ers put a $4 million incentive for Cruz to break 1,000 yards receiving in a season, Giants would probably have to match that since he's "likely to earn" that from his past performances.

                    The Prior team is also allowed to better the offer sheet, but that shouldn't happen often. (why should the Prior team give more to the player for trying to sign with another team when all they have to do is match?) .
                    Section (b) Subpart (iii) "such additional terms, not less favorable to the player than those contained in the Offer Sheet as may be agreed upon between the Restricted Free Agent and the Prior Club. "

                    So yes, Reese could shift more of the salary as guaranteed money since it's more favorable to the player or just give more money than the offer sheet.

                    Last edited by BigBlueAllDay; 02-28-2013, 08:02 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by BigBlueAllDay View Post
                      Absolutely. Looks like you're correct. You made me read the CBA. The CBA if anyone else wants to read it. http://nfllabor.files.wordpress.com/...-2011-2020.pdf

                      Principal Terms: Article 9, Section 3, Part (e), p. 40.

                      "Salary, which shall consist only of (a) the fixed and specified dollar amounts the New Club will pay, guarantee or lend to the Restricted Free Agent and/or his designees (currently and/or as deferred compensation in specified installments on specified dates) in consideration for his services as a football player under the Player Contract (i.e., signing bonus, Paragraph 5 Salary, and reporting and roster bonuses); "

                      If there's performance-based provisions in the offer sheet: "(b) Salary that is variable and/or is subject to calculation only upon the following bases: (1) based upon the performance of the Club extending the Offer Sheet (only those in-centives which are "likely to be earned" by the player if he enters into a Player Contract with the New Club, pursuant to Subsection (c) above, must be matched by the Prior Club for the purpose of exercising a Right of First Refusal, and such incentives may not exceed 15% of the Salary in the Offer Sheet)"

                      Section (g): Incentives also basically repeats this.

                      Basically if the 49ers put a $10 million incentive for Cruz to break 2,000 yards receiving in the season in the offer sheet, Giants mostly likely won't need to match that part of the offer sheet.
                      However, if the 49ers put a $4 million incentive for Cruz to break 1,000 yards receiving in a season, Giants would probably have to match that since he's "likely to earn" that from his past performances.

                      The Prior team is also allowed to better the offer sheet, but that shouldn't happen often. (why should the Prior team give more to the player for trying to sign with another team?) .
                      Section (b) Subpart (iii) "such additional terms, not less favorable to the player than those contained in the Offer Sheet as may be agreed upon between the Restricted Free Agent and the Prior Club. "

                      So yes, Reese could make shift more of the salary as guaranteed money since it's more favorable to the player or just give more money than the offer sheet.

                      THAT WAS

                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                        THAT WAS

                        and that's not everything either under Principal Terms, but no need to go deeper (unless someone brings up another situation). The CBA is quite readable with respect that it uses mostly plain English words instead of a barrage of vocabulary words. Of course you'll see the words like "pursuant" that are common in all legal documents.

                        Btw, I'm not a lawyer or stayed at a Holiday Inn. I just read the newspaper. lol
                        Last edited by BigBlueAllDay; 02-28-2013, 08:05 PM.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by BigBlueAllDay View Post
                          and that's not everything either under Principal Terms, but no need to go deeper (unless someone brings up another situation). The CBA is quite readable with respect that it uses mostly plain English words instead of a barrage of vocabulary words. Of course you'll see the words like "pursuant" that are common in all legal documents.

                          Btw, I'm not a lawyer or stayed at a Holiday Inn. I just read the newspaper. lol
                          It's all of the references to other sections that make it confusing. But we'll see how this all shakes out pretty soon if the tender Cruz.
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • #43
                            I saw this thread and nearly had a heart attack.

                            Cruz on the 49'ers would hurt so much as a NYG fan; here' a local player who we signed as a FA and developed into an excellent WR.

                            I see many people on this forum underestimating Cruz's value saying things like "he's just a slot receiver", "his production can be replaced", and "I would rather have another 1st rounder."

                            IMO he's a better receiver than Nicks; if it comes down to Nicks vs. Cruz I'm for the NYG resigning Cruz.

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                            • #44
                              I heard something earlier today(on NFL Net or ESPN.com?) that the 49ers may make a run at Revis, since they have the picks to do so. A little while later, "sources" say that the 49ers will not pursue Revis(once again NFL net or ESPN).

                              I honestly don't know if the Giants will get a long term deal on Cruz done before this season, so maybe they put the tender on him next week. And I like Cruz, don't get me wrong. But if any team(Pats, Niners) decide they want to give up a 1st rd pick and offer Cruz something the Giants can match, then so be it. Its business, not personal.

                              And even though the Niners pick is 31, thats just fine---its close enough to a 2nd rd pick. And there is a lot of talent available this year outside of rd 1.

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                              • #45
                                Jeez the 49ers have it made , the already have a premier defense 15 Draft picks and cap space to get guys like Revis how is this even possible.

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