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  • Since there is some talk about the giants cap situation in 2014.

    A little review.

    Im going to ignore the futures deals, because its not likely many if any of those guys stick.

    So here are the cap hits

    Eli Manning - 20 mil
    Rolle - 9.25 mil (last year of deal)
    Snee - 11 mil (last year of deal)
    Baas - 7.25 mil
    Weatherford - 2.7 mil
    Kiwi - 7 mil
    JPP - 3 mil
    Prince - 2.6 mil
    Beatty - 7.4 mil
    DeOssie - 1.2 mil
    David Wilson - 1.1 mil
    Marvin Austin - 1.2 mil
    J Will - 600k
    Scott - 600k
    Sash - 600k
    Brewer - 700k
    Jernigan - 700k
    Randle - 800k
    Hosley - 700k
    Mosley - 600k
    Will Hill - 550k
    Ojomo - 600k
    Kuhn - 600k

    Thats 23 players, at 80 mil.

    Now, the giants will soon be adding rookies, and lets assume all 7 of them are still on the team going into 2014. That would add 7 players for another 2 million

    Then they add the 2014 class, lets say they pick 20 again, and have 7 standard draft picks, that would add another 1.8 million for 7 players.

    Combine the two draft classes = 14 players for ~4 million.

    That gives the giants 37 players under contract for 84 million.

    Salary cap this season is 123 million. It will grow, perhaps not by much, but it will be at least 123 million in 2014.

    So the giants would have at a minimum 39 million dollars to resign player or sign free agents. They signed Beatty, a top tier FA to a deal where his cap his this coming season is only 3.5 million. The giants could theoretically sign ~10 top tier FAs and still make it under the cap. And they dont have 10 top tier FAs to sign.
    List of players contracts expiring (not listing RFAs, because they can be tagged)
    Webster (wont be resigned, or if he is, not for that much money)
    Tuck (if he has another 4 sack season he wont cost much)
    Diehl (wont be expensive)
    Nicks (premiere FA)
    Cruz (premiere FA)
    Linval (premiere FA)
    Shaun Rogers (not expensive)
    Pascoe (nearly free)
    Terrell Thomas (who knows)

    Thats it. Three, maybe 4 guys depending on Tuck.


    Only the highest 51 players count against the cap as well, so the players making ~500k or less will not count against the cap.



    Now, lets say they spend huge money on Cruz, Nicks, Tuck, etc.

    How to free up more money.

    Releasing Rolle before the 2014 season = cap savings of 7 million
    Chris Snee has a player option in his contract for 2014, so he could opt out, but if he is released it will save 6.7 million
    Releasing Baas would save ~2 million (unlikely for that small of a savings)
    Releasing Kiwi would save ~2 million (also unlikely)


    So they could potentially save another ~18 million if they needed to, putting them almost 60 million under the cap.


    Now the supposed problem according to Vacchiano is that they would only have some 37 players under contract and need to have 53. Lets take a look around the league and nearly every team in the league has somewhere around 20 players under contract who make more than 1 mil a season. That means the remaining 33 players make LESS than 1 million a year.

    Giants would already have roughly 37 players under contract, 12 of which make over 1 mil.

    So they would have to add 16 players, about 6-8 of them making over one mil.

    So add another 10 players at less than a mil a piece.

    Lets say on average those 10 guys cost 800k a piece. Its a bit on the high side, but that gives the giants ~47 players on the roster for a total of about 92 million.

    They would have 20-30 million to resign 6-8 higher priced guys, such as Cruz/JPP/Nicks. Clearly not all of them are going to be top guys, but even if they were, they could essentially sign 6-8 guys to Beatty type contracts and fit it under the cap without issue.

    And none of this even mentions Eli's contract. If Eli signed an extension like Brady, that frees another 5-7 million.
    Last edited by slipknottin; 03-01-2013, 07:06 PM.

  • #2
    60 MILLIONS UNDER THE CAP ! Jesus, Mary and Joseph ! I have never seen such a huge cap space in all my years as a Giants fan.
    " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
      A little review.

      Im going to ignore the futures deals, because its not likely many if any of those guys stick.

      So here are the cap hits

      Eli Manning - 20 mil
      Rolle - 9.25 mil (last year of deal)
      Snee - 11 mil (last year of deal)
      Baas - 7.25 mil
      Weatherford - 2.7 mil
      Kiwi - 7 mil
      JPP - 3 mil
      Prince - 2.6 mil
      Beatty - 7.4 mil
      DeOssie - 1.2 mil
      David Wilson - 1.1 mil
      Marvin Austin - 1.2 mil
      J Will - 600k
      Scott - 600k
      Sash - 600k
      Brewer - 700k
      Jernigan - 700k
      Randle - 800k
      Hosley - 700k
      Mosley - 600k
      Will Hill - 550k
      Ojomo - 600k
      Kuhn - 600k

      Thats 23 players, at 80 mil.

      Now, the giants will soon be adding rookies, and lets assume all 7 of them are still on the team going into 2014. That would add 7 players for another 2 million

      Then they add the 2014 class, lets say they pick 20 again, and have 7 standard draft picks, that would add another 1.8 million for 7 players.

      Combine the two draft classes = 14 players for ~4 million.

      That gives the giants 37 players under contract for 84 million.

      Salary cap this season is 123 million. It will grow, perhaps not by much, but it will be at least 123 million in 2014.

      So the giants would have at a minimum 39 million dollars to resign player or sign free agents. They signed Beatty, a top tier FA to a deal where his cap his this coming season is only 3.5 million. The giants could theoretically sign ~10 top tier FAs and still make it under the cap. And they dont have 10 top tier FAs to sign.
      List of players contracts expiring (not listing RFAs, because they can be tagged)
      Webster (wont be resigned, or if he is, not for that much money)
      Tuck (if he has another 4 sack season he wont cost much)
      Diehl (wont be expensive)
      Nicks (premiere FA)
      Cruz (premiere FA)
      Linval (premiere FA)
      Shaun Rogers (not expensive)
      Pascoe (nearly free)
      Terrell Thomas (who knows)

      Thats it. Three, maybe 4 guys depending on Tuck.


      Only the highest 51 players count against the cap as well, so the players making ~500k or less will not count against the cap.



      Now, lets say they spend huge money on Cruz, Nicks, Tuck, etc.

      How to free up more money.

      Releasing Rolle before the 2014 season = cap savings of 7 million
      Chris Snee has a player option in his contract for 2014, so he could opt out, but if he is released it will save 6.7 million
      Releasing Baas would save ~2 million (unlikely for that small of a savings)
      Releasing Kiwi would save ~2 million (also unlikely)


      So they could potentially save another ~18 million if they needed to, putting them almost 60 million under the cap.

      Theres just no way at all they are in bad shape in 2014. Even if they sign Nicks + Cruz + Tuck + JPP they still should have a large amount of room available.
      Didnt Kiwi just restructure his contract

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      • #4
        Thanks a ton Slip. For all the flak that Reese received about not knowing how to manage a cap, he might just be able to see further ahead than most of us can imagine. He was trained well by his predecessors.

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        • #5
          isn't the salary cap supposed to sky-rocket in 2014 because of the tv deal? if thats the case then WOO-HOO
          "You beat yourself when you don't believe in yourself"

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
            Didnt Kiwi just restructure his contract
            Yes, the numbers I posted reflect that.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by killerbootz View Post
              isn't the salary cap supposed to sky-rocket in 2014 because of the tv deal? if thats the case then WOO-HOO
              Wont sky rocket, should go up, but wont be that much, they are trying to keep the salary cap from jumping around much.

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              • #8
                If Reese proposes a contract extension for Eli (maybe 2-3 years?), how much do you think that could help the cap? Obviously you don't know the details of such things but I'm curious what you THINK it could do.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                  Wont sky rocket, should go up, but wont be that much, they are trying to keep the salary cap from jumping around much.
                  thanks bro
                  "You beat yourself when you don't believe in yourself"

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                  • #10
                    Would be a good time to gain some extra draft picks either by trading down from our supposed 2014 #20 spot or possibly a player trade...the more bodies to choose from the better our chances of finding a diamond in the rough

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                      If Reese proposes a contract extension for Eli (maybe 2-3 years?), how much do you think that could help the cap? Obviously you don't know the details of such things but I'm curious what you THINK it could do.
                      completely depends on what Eli wants. If Eli will take a fully or almost fully guaranteed deal paying him ~15 a year like what brady did, the giants ave ~5 mil a year in cap room.

                      Eli's contract does end after the 2015 season, he would only be 35/36 then. Maybe he wants to play till 40 too?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by hungrrrry View Post
                        Would be a good time to gain some extra draft picks either by trading down from our supposed 2014 #20 spot or possibly a player trade...the more bodies to choose from the better our chances of finding a diamond in the rough
                        doesnt really work that way. higher draft picks = better chance for them to succeed. All you have to do is look at the 2007 nfl draft.

                        First round has 5 guys who probably will make the hall of fame. Outside the first round there are only 15 guys who have made a probowl, and nobody even close to hall of fame type talent, (for comparison, there are 14 probowlers in the first round)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                          completely depends on what Eli wants. If Eli will take a fully or almost fully guaranteed deal paying him ~15 a year like what brady did, the giants ave ~5 mil a year in cap room.

                          Eli's contract does end after the 2015 season, he would only be 35/36 then. Maybe he wants to play till 40 too?
                          The fact is that a player rarely knows when his time is up, IMO he is going to be treated gracefully when the end of career comes and I truly think his next redo, renegotiation or contract extention will be his last and retire in Blue.
                          " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                          • #14
                            I think it might have been better to go fishing for trades with Bradshaw, Canty, Boley for some 5-7th round picks, knowing that they were going to get released anyway. Cap results would have been exactly the same anyway, except the team gets more bottom tier picks to play around with.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              completely depends on what Eli wants. If Eli will take a fully or almost fully guaranteed deal paying him ~15 a year like what brady did, the giants ave ~5 mil a year in cap room.

                              Eli's contract does end after the 2015 season, he would only be 35/36 then. Maybe he wants to play till 40 too?
                              It could be explored next season since we already have our "must resign" priority in Beatty handled. There's no telling what JPP could do next season if he gets some help across from him. What if he has an even bigger season than he did in 2011? What if Nicks plays a full season next year and puts up staggering numbers? There's Cruz and Joseph to think about also. Prince could be another pricey player when his time comes. I imagine that Reese will want to see how Eli handles old age this upcoming season since not all QBs blossom nicely as they reach the peak. So many ways we could go about this the next few years.

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