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    This is a thread stemming from the Alex Ogeltree thread. I don't think the Giants have some magic formula for knowing a players character. We err on the safe side. We stay away from any player with red flags in the first round in the JR/TC era.

    So far it's worked out, but good people don't make good players. Good players make good players. Vontaze Burfict wasn't drafted in part because of his character issues (he tends to be a hot head on the field), yet all year long he played like a first round pick. **For those wanting to argue this point- don't. Black Madden has spoken.

    Had I scouted LT in college, and if he had failed a drug test in college I would have still drafted LT. All of this talk about character is baloney. DD is a stand up guy as is Webster, yet how many of us want them to be starters next year at their current level of play. Character doesn't make plays and making plays doesn't give you character. I totally understand not drafting a guy because of the risk he poses of being suspended, but that is about wins and losses not about who's a good person and who's a dirtbag. I realize I don't know any of these kids. I just want them to make plays.
    Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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    The giants have ALWAYS stayed away from any player with red flags in the first round. In their entire history.

    Find even a single example of a guy with flags in the first round ever in their history.

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    • #3
      I think there are levels you don't want to touch and I think the Giants do too. I also think they aren't afraid to try and coach up a kid with problems. Ogletree is risky pick but I don't think he's not worth it. This is a risk I would want them to take.

      That being said....Reese never goes LB in the first round and never picks my choice......stoopid imgrate
      I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
        The giants have ALWAYS stayed away from any player with red flags in the first round. In their entire history.

        Find even a single example of a guy with flags in the first round ever in their history.
        William Joseph's work ethic was questioned and that is why he dropped to us in the first round. Work ethic is a character issue, an issue that followed him in the Pros. Other than that one instance I think your right.
        Last edited by B&RWarrior; 03-03-2013, 07:11 PM.
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • #5
          Originally posted by FBomb View Post
          I think there are levels you don't want to touch and I think the Giants do too. I also think they aren't afraid to try and coach up a kid with problems. Ogletree is risky pick but I don't think he's not worth it. This is a risk I would want them to take.

          That being said....Reese never goes LB in the first round and never picks my choice......stoopid imgrate
          You, I've been waiting for a 1st round DT for 5 years, but we never draft high enough to get an elite DT...to busy winning SBs. This Reese dude is clueless.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • #6
            Ogletree won't get drafted by NY.. atleast not in the 1st (and he won't be there in the 2nd)

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            • #7
              Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
              You, I've been waiting for a 1st round DT for 5 years, but we never draft high enough to get an elite DT...to busy winning SBs. This Reese dude is clueless.
              Pisses me off!!! We should hire Gil Brandt.....dude is a "genious"
              I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                Pisses me off!!! We should hire Gil Brandt.....dude is a "genious"
                I respectfully disagree
                Why the Giants will win the SuperBowl!!!

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QPvmhCcsnY&t=1s

                Interview With Darian Thompson: https://youtu.be/vvqLbM6emGE

                My YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSW...BrHBI_v2XKQb5A

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Carter.525 View Post
                  Ogletree won't get drafted by NY.. atleast not in the 1st (and he won't be there in the 2nd)
                  Sadly....I do know this. Just wish I could be right about my draft picks just ONCE!!
                  I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by giants8493 View Post
                    I respectfully disagree
                    LOL
                    I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                      William Joseph's work ethic was questioned and that is why he dropped to us in the first round. Work ethic is a character issue, an issue that followed him in the pros. Other than that one instance you I think your right.
                      Thats not a character red flag.

                      Pretty much every DT scouting report in history will say they take plays off...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                        Sadly....I do know this. Just wish I could be right about my draft picks just ONCE!!
                        he was my horse too..

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                          Pisses me off!!! We should hire Gil Brandt.....dude is a "genious"
                          best GM ever!!

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                            Pisses me off!!! We should hire Gil Brandt.....dude is a "genious"
                            Genious, the new Imgrate.
                            #80

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                              Thats not a character red flag.

                              Pretty much every DT scouting report in history will say they take plays off...
                              I'm not making this up Slip. I'm a lifetime fan of the U (Miami University), so remember the draft distinctly. That was the wrap on Joseph even in college. He had top 10-15 talent and no motivation. His stock dropped because of this reputation. His work ethic was questionable even for a DT. You may be right in saying he didn't have a character flaw. He may just not have cared about playing football, to those of us who love football this is a definite character flaw. LOL!
                              Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                              http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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