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  • Originally posted by DIPSET_ALL_DAY View Post
    I miss watching Hampton carry defenders until the whistle was blown.

    I still remember Toomer being a kick returner and returning a punt to the house in our old stadium..damn I feel old
    I remember the days when we just said here we come and ran right at and trough them
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
      It's interesting that he can put up those numbers and people still question his talent. Life's a *****.
      I don't think there is any doubt as to how talented Victor Cruz is, the guy is a great WR. I think the big knock that folks have are the key drops this past season as well as the short arming for a number of games after the hit by Ryan Clarke which we lucked out with a penalty on because it was a legal hit. Granted, he is a slot reciever and takes more hits but when the discussion is about top tier money, short arming it and dropping game changing passes on more than one or two occassions is not going to cut it. We always harp on Hakeem Nicks playing hurt and how the coaches should let him heal, which I think they should but the guy is very physical and he doesn't short arm it. Hakeem is our #1 and that is where the top tier money is going to go, IMO.

      I hope we keep Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks.

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      • Originally posted by DIPSET_ALL_DAY View Post
        It's sad because Giants fans weren't like this before Eli Manning was drafted. I hate to say it, but there's either a lot of band wagon fans who don't remember when our only WR was Chris Calloway, or the years where Tiki Barber was our only offensive threat.

        It's as if Giants fans have tasted victory, and get into that Yankees mentality where every year we will win it. I mean don't get me wrong, I want us to win it every year, obviously, but don't act like we're the Steinbrenner of the NFL and can just easily replace someone.
        I love NY Yankees and I have had "debates" with other NY Yankees fans when they claim "our season was a disaster because we didn't win the World Series" and other such comments. Just like I am with NY Giants, as long as NY Yankees are competitive and we make the playoffs or are in the hunt at the end of the regular season, I am happy; winning it all is just gravy.

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        • Originally posted by DIPSET_ALL_DAY View Post
          I miss watching Hampton carry defenders until the whistle was blown.

          I still remember Toomer being a kick returner and returning a punt to the house in our old stadium..damn I feel old
          I remember that too. I would say we are both getting old but I think some of these old timers here would get upset so I wont. Lol...............

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          • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
            I remember that too. I would say we are both getting old but I think some of these old timers here would get upset so I wont. Lol...............
            When you talk about Homer Jones, Bob Tucker and Fran, I'll know you've been around a while.

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            • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
              I don't think there is any doubt as to how talented Victor Cruz is, the guy is a great WR. I think the big knock that folks have are the key drops this past season as well as the short arming for a number of games after the hit by Ryan Clarke which we lucked out with a penalty on because it was a legal hit. Granted, he is a slot reciever and takes more hits but when the discussion is about top tier money, short arming it and dropping game changing passes on more than one or two occassions is not going to cut it. We always harp on Hakeem Nicks playing hurt and how the coaches should let him heal, which I think they should but the guy is very physical and he doesn't short arm it. Hakeem is our #1 and that is where the top tier money is going to go, IMO.

              I hope we keep Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks.

              And yet a guy with all of those issues is the 5th leading receiver over two seasons. Maybe that's what other teams will cnosider
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • Originally posted by NorwoodBlue View Post
                I have to think there's two or three tenders coming out before Tuesday afternoon. It's like JR to wait until the last minute to keep other teams guessing. I wouldn't be surprised if we get one more signing done by Tuesday too. I have no idea who it will be; but I imagine they want to lock up one more position at least before free agency starts. I imagine that all the teams have a war room set up for the next couple days just to see who's available and what other teams are doing with thier FA and RFA. Some actions by other teams might effect what the Giants do with their own FA. With so may big name veterans being cut, there could be some guys looking for a team at reasonable prices for next season. This is shaping up to be a very interesting next few weeks. March Madness NFL style.
                Agree. Every year is the same, teams have top priorities to resign, some veterans go and others come to fill spots as top flight FA or to play a specific role on the team and last but not less important there's the draft where teams try to fill the last needs . As always a roller coaster ride from the start of FA to the end of NFL draft weekend.
                " Success is never final, but failure can be " B.P.

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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  And yet a guy with all of those issues is the 5th leading receiver over two seasons. Maybe that's what other teams will cnosider
                  It will ultimately come down to what teams see on the tape and the conclusions they make from it. I imagine any franchise worth it's salt will invest a good chunk of hours analyzing every second of Cruz in the game if they are seriously considering giving a player a large contract and a 1st round pick to boot.

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                  • Originally posted by TheEnigma View Post
                    It will ultimately come down to what teams see on the tape and the conclusions they make from it. I imagine any franchise worth it's salt will invest a good chunk of hours analyzing every second of Cruz in the game if they are seriously considering giving a player a large contract and a 1st round pick to boot.
                    I sure hope so
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • Still no tender... The Giants must be trying hard to sign him.

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                      • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                        Still no tender... The Giants must be trying hard to sign him.
                        Or Cruz doesn't want to budge from his figures

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                        • Originally posted by drewz View Post
                          Or Cruz doesn't want to budge from his figures
                          Which would still mean they're trying. Had the Giants conceded defeat, they'd have tendered him by now.

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                          • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                            Which would still mean they're trying. Had the Giants conceded defeat, they'd have tendered him by now.
                            Have other teams handed out tenders yet?

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                            • If they did get Cruz to a long term contract before Tuesday (which I personally doubt happens), the current disagreement I'm sure would be over the signing bonus and the base salary for the 2013 season since we know the Giants have to be frugal with the cap space they have.

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                              • Originally posted by Sovereign View Post
                                Have other teams handed out tenders yet?
                                Clady received his tender from the Broncos a week ago. Sure others have them too but none that I can think off the top of my head.

                                Edit: Nope sorry was the franchise tag. Henry Melton was the one I was thinking of. Actually, he was franchised (media keeps saying tendered for some reason). Just a bunch of low level tenders so far.
                                Last edited by TheEnigma; 03-10-2013, 05:10 PM.

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