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  • derekunion28
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    Nothing has changed in my eyes

    Nothing has changed in my eyes. Anyone else, we are the same team now ,them before the draft, .. Not one rookie has played a pro down, and the chance they contribute in next season, is slim to none, It takes time for guys to learn and change to pro speed and strength from college.I think we have potential in future years, butt as of now i dont think so., remeber we have room for only so many also. Though i em no pro coach scout or analyst its just my humble view of it all. It just seems weird how many people aregetting so hyped up, over some college players that we have no idea how they will transition into the pros. anyone else feel this way.

  • knobhead
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    [quote user="derekunion28"]my whole point was people ACT as if they had played a pro down.. guess around here people cant have a opinion. then if other disagree they have to belittle and name call .. no wonder people get scared of posting or reading stuff around here..[/quote] i fear spiders snakes and the irs

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  • FBomb
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    [quote user="derekunion28"]my whole point was people ACT as if they had played a pro down.. guess around here people cant have a opinion. then if other disagree they have to belittle and name call .. no wonder people get scared of posting or reading stuff around here..[/quote]




    Scared is a good way to post. It makes most people think before posting.




    If that is what you meant, then that's what you should have said. We can only judge you by the posts you make...........your original post was pretty lame.........just sayin.

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  • listenup
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    [quote user="gonyg322"][quote user="derekunion28"]Nothing has changed in my eyes. Anyone else, we are the same team now ,them before the draft, .. Not one rookie has played a pro down, and the chance they contribute in next season, is slim to none, It takes time for guys to learn and change to pro speed and strength from college.I think we have potential in future years, butt as of now i dont think so., remeber we have room for only so many also. Though i em no pro coach scout or analyst its just my humble view of it all. It just seems weird how many people aregetting so hyped up, over some college players that we have no idea how they will transition into the pros. anyone else feel this way.[/quote] "Not one rookie has played a pro down" Yeah i wish JR wasn't so stupid and he drafted the rookies that have played pro downs....[/quote]LMFAO

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  • derekunion28
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    my whole point was people ACT as if they had played a pro down.. guess around here people cant have a opinion. then if other disagree they have to belittle and name call .. no wonder people get scared of posting or reading stuff around here..

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  • FBomb
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    [quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="FBomb"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]mostly agree with the OP.

    Rookies rarely contribute much their first years in the NFL, yeah I know we had a couple good years there in a row where they did, it is impossible for that to ALWAYS happen, I think it's unlikely that any of our draft picks this year will contribute a significant amount "This" year.

    I hope I'm wrong though, because we need someone to step into the #1 WR spot ASAP.
    [/quote]




    Sorry Bro, but rookies contribute all the time. Making a blanket statement that THESE picks won't contribute is very short sighted. Adopting a wait and see attitude makes more sense. Reese certainly has earned the benefit of the doubt.




    [/quote]





    Lawl already got this for me, but Rookie WR's in particular don't.

    especially not as a #1 type WR, occasionally one jumps into the Slot and has a decent year, but it is incredibly rare for a rookie WR to step up and be a #1.

    and IMHO Hixon is not a #1, and noone else is even close to it on our team.
    [/quote]




    Totally agree. Hixon is NOT a #1, and no one we have is. I was on the Edwards train since it left the station, but I'm not so egotistical to think I know better than JR. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. So I will wait and see and NOT throw out blanket statements regarding our draft picks.




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    Question is, will any of the current receivers be #1s in the next few years? I say yes. Who says they need to be stars this year? I think the Giants have enough to win now, but they are a young team and should be building for the future, not signing a WR with a history of drops to a 10 million/year deal that will limit them in the future.




    [/quote]




    Based on last year, I disagree that we have what it takes already. Maybe on defense, but we lack a #1. But, instead of writing this year off, I'm hoping Nicks can step in, but I just don't know.




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    I think it will be interesting to see. As has been said before on this board, it is very different ot lose a star player mid season, than to be prepared for life without him going into the next year. I don't think it is impossibel for the Giant's to win with what they have. Are they the clear favorite, no. With an unquestioned #1 WR, I think they would have to be. There's a chance one of the young fellas steps up to fill the role, but more likely the Giant's will need to find another way to win next year. I don't think the last several games accurately represent what will happen this year.




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    I agree, but we ARE going to adjust the [assing game to fit what we have. Something we failed at last season.




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    hahaha the assing game...sorry, I'm just immature.




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    lol...........I'm a HUGE fan of the assing game.

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  • EliBGold
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    [quote user="FBomb"][quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="FBomb"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]mostly agree with the OP.

    Rookies rarely contribute much their first years in the NFL, yeah I know we had a couple good years there in a row where they did, it is impossible for that to ALWAYS happen, I think it's unlikely that any of our draft picks this year will contribute a significant amount "This" year.

    I hope I'm wrong though, because we need someone to step into the #1 WR spot ASAP.
    [/quote]




    Sorry Bro, but rookies contribute all the time. Making a blanket statement that THESE picks won't contribute is very short sighted. Adopting a wait and see attitude makes more sense. Reese certainly has earned the benefit of the doubt.




    [/quote]

    Lawl already got this for me, but Rookie WR's in particular don't.

    especially not as a #1 type WR, occasionally one jumps into the Slot and has a decent year, but it is incredibly rare for a rookie WR to step up and be a #1.

    and IMHO Hixon is not a #1, and noone else is even close to it on our team.
    [/quote]




    Totally agree. Hixon is NOT a #1, and no one we have is. I was on the Edwards train since it left the station, but I'm not so egotistical to think I know better than JR. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. So I will wait and see and NOT throw out blanket statements regarding our draft picks.




    [/quote]




    Question is, will any of the current receivers be #1s in the next few years? I say yes. Who says they need to be stars this year? I think the Giants have enough to win now, but they are a young team and should be building for the future, not signing a WR with a history of drops to a 10 million/year deal that will limit them in the future.




    [/quote]




    Based on last year, I disagree that we have what it takes already. Maybe on defense, but we lack a #1. But, instead of writing this year off, I'm hoping Nicks can step in, but I just don't know.




    [/quote]




    I think it will be interesting to see. As has been said before on this board, it is very different ot lose a star player mid season, than to be prepared for life without him going into the next year. I don't think it is impossibel for the Giant's to win with what they have. Are they the clear favorite, no. With an unquestioned #1 WR, I think they would have to be. There's a chance one of the young fellas steps up to fill the role, but more likely the Giant's will need to find another way to win next year. I don't think the last several games accurately represent what will happen this year.




    [/quote]




    I agree, but we ARE going to adjust the [assing game to fit what we have. Something we failed at last season.




    [/quote]




    hahaha the assing game...sorry, I'm just immature.

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  • FBomb
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    [quote user="gonyg322"][quote user="derekunion28"]Nothing has changed in my eyes. Anyone else, we are the same team now ,them before the draft, .. Not one rookie has played a pro down, and the chance they contribute in next season, is slim to none, It takes time for guys to learn and change to pro speed and strength from college.I think we have potential in future years, butt as of now i dont think so., remeber we have room for only so many also. Though i em no pro coach scout or analyst its just my humble view of it all. It just seems weird how many people aregetting so hyped up, over some college players that we have no idea how they will transition into the pros. anyone else feel this way.[/quote] "Not one rookie has played a pro down" Yeah i wish JR wasn't so stupid and he drafted the rookies that have played pro downs....[/quote]




    LOL..........That was my favoritr line from his post.

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  • FBomb
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    [quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="FBomb"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]mostly agree with the OP.

    Rookies rarely contribute much their first years in the NFL, yeah I know we had a couple good years there in a row where they did, it is impossible for that to ALWAYS happen, I think it's unlikely that any of our draft picks this year will contribute a significant amount "This" year.

    I hope I'm wrong though, because we need someone to step into the #1 WR spot ASAP.
    [/quote]




    Sorry Bro, but rookies contribute all the time. Making a blanket statement that THESE picks won't contribute is very short sighted. Adopting a wait and see attitude makes more sense. Reese certainly has earned the benefit of the doubt.




    [/quote]

    Lawl already got this for me, but Rookie WR's in particular don't.

    especially not as a #1 type WR, occasionally one jumps into the Slot and has a decent year, but it is incredibly rare for a rookie WR to step up and be a #1.

    and IMHO Hixon is not a #1, and noone else is even close to it on our team.
    [/quote]




    Totally agree. Hixon is NOT a #1, and no one we have is. I was on the Edwards train since it left the station, but I'm not so egotistical to think I know better than JR. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. So I will wait and see and NOT throw out blanket statements regarding our draft picks.




    [/quote]




    Question is, will any of the current receivers be #1s in the next few years? I say yes. Who says they need to be stars this year? I think the Giants have enough to win now, but they are a young team and should be building for the future, not signing a WR with a history of drops to a 10 million/year deal that will limit them in the future.




    [/quote]




    Based on last year, I disagree that we have what it takes already. Maybe on defense, but we lack a #1. But, instead of writing this year off, I'm hoping Nicks can step in, but I just don't know.




    [/quote]




    I think it will be interesting to see. As has been said before on this board, it is very different ot lose a star player mid season, than to be prepared for life without him going into the next year. I don't think it is impossibel for the Giant's to win with what they have. Are they the clear favorite, no. With an unquestioned #1 WR, I think they would have to be. There's a chance one of the young fellas steps up to fill the role, but more likely the Giant's will need to find another way to win next year. I don't think the last several games accurately represent what will happen this year.




    [/quote]




    I agree, but we ARE going to adjust the passing game to fit what we have. Something we failed at last season. Hopefully Nicks is a part of that adjusting.

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  • gonyg322
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    [quote user="derekunion28"]Nothing has changed in my eyes. Anyone* else, we are the same team now ,them before the draft, .. Not one rookie has played a pro down, and the chance they contribute in next season, is slim to none, It takes time for guys to learn and change to pro speed and strength from college.**I think we have potential* in future years, butt* as of now i dont think so., remeber we have room for only so many also. Though i em no pro coach scout or analyst its just my humble view of it all. It just seems weird how many people are*getting so hyped up, over some college players that we have no idea how they will transition into the pros. anyone else feel this way.[/quote]


    "Not one rookie has played a pro down"

    Yeah i wish JR wasn't so stupid and he drafted the rookies that have played pro downs....

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  • EliBGold
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    Re: Nothing has changed in my eyes

    [quote user="FBomb"][quote user="EliBGold"][quote user="FBomb"][quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="FBomb"]


    [quote user="DavenIII"]mostly agree with the OP.

    Rookies rarely contribute much their first years in the NFL, yeah I know we had a couple good years there in a row where they did, it is impossible for that to ALWAYS happen, I think it's unlikely that any of our draft picks this year will contribute a significant amount "This" year.

    I hope I'm wrong though, because we need someone to step into the #1 WR spot ASAP.
    [/quote]




    Sorry Bro, but rookies contribute all the time. Making a blanket statement that THESE picks won't contribute is very short sighted. Adopting a wait and see attitude makes more sense. Reese certainly has earned the benefit of the doubt.




    [/quote]

    Lawl already got this for me, but Rookie WR's in particular don't.

    especially not as a #1 type WR, occasionally one jumps into the Slot and has a decent year, but it is incredibly rare for a rookie WR to step up and be a #1.

    and IMHO Hixon is not a #1, and noone else is even close to it on our team.
    [/quote]




    Totally agree. Hixon is NOT a #1, and no one we have is. I was on the Edwards train since it left the station, but I'm not so egotistical to think I know better than JR. He deserves the benefit of the doubt. So I will wait and see and NOT throw out blanket statements regarding our draft picks.




    [/quote]




    Question is, will any of the current receivers be #1s in the next few years? I say yes. Who says they need to be stars this year? I think the Giants have enough to win now, but they are a young team and should be building for the future, not signing a WR with a history of drops to a 10 million/year deal that will limit them in the future.




    [/quote]




    Based on last year, I disagree that we have what it takes already. Maybe on defense, but we lack a #1. But, instead of writing this year off, I'm hoping Nicks can step in, but I just don't know.




    [/quote]




    I think it will be interesting to see. As has been said before on this board, it is very different ot lose a star player mid season, than to be prepared for life without him going into the next year. I don't think it is impossibel for the Giant's to win with what they have. Are they the clear favorite, no. With an unquestioned #1 WR, I think they would have to be. There's a chance one of the young fellas steps up to fill the role, but more likely the Giant's will need to find another way to win next year. I don't think the last several games accurately represent what will happen this year.

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  • FBomb
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="FBomb"]


    The OP is saying that thi crop of WR will NOT contribute. I'm saying THAT is a blanket statement. Steve Smith and Kevin Boss were HUGE in our SB year. No one here knows anything more, and to claim so is stupid.




    [/quote]

    But based on Rookie WR history you can make a good educated guess, as opposed to just jumping out there and saying it will work because "You want it to"

    and there is a big difference between a rookie working in the Slot, or filling in as starting TE for the playoffs and being the number one threat in the offensive passing game.

    TE's can be protected by playcalling so can Slot receivers if you have a guy like Plax.

    Nicks is going to have to be the guy protecting other players by drawing the double coverage, he's going to have to be the #1 threat his rookie season...that's a whole different ballgame.
    [/quote]




    Agreed, but the OP wasn't making an "educated" anything. He was saying that none of our offensive draft picks will contribute. That NOTHING has changed.Far from educated.

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  • DavenIII
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    [quote user="FBomb"]

    The OP is saying that thi crop of WR will NOT contribute. I'm saying THAT is a blanket statement. Steve Smith and Kevin Boss were HUGE in our SB year. No one here knows anything more, and to claim so is stupid.

    [/quote]

    But based on Rookie WR history you can make a good educated guess, as opposed to just jumping out there and saying it will work because "You want it to"

    and there is a big difference between a rookie working in the Slot, or filling in as starting TE for the playoffs and being the number one threat in the offensive passing game.

    TE's can be protected by playcalling so can Slot receivers if you have a guy like Plax.

    Nicks is going to have to be the guy protecting other players by drawing the double coverage, he's going to have to be the #1 threat his rookie season...that's a whole different ballgame.

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  • RoanokeFan
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="FBomb"]

    But it DOES happen, and has even happened for us before.

    [/quote]

    I went back for 10 years F-Bomb, the kind of production we need (IMHO is 1000 Yards type guy) they have been 1/100.

    so yeah, there is a 1% chance it could happen, he'll lets assume JR is god and there is a 5% chance it could happen, hell say 10%!

    It's still VERY risky, if you look around these forums you'd think Nicks had already played in the NFL for 5 season and had 1000 yards each one.

    people are taking the term "NFL Ready" WAY too far... he's still got A LOT to learn.
    [/quote]

    Being a run first team has more to do with a 1,000 yard receiver than talent does.

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  • FBomb
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    [quote user="DavenIII"][quote user="FBomb"]


    Based on last year, I disagree that we have what it takes already. Maybe on defense, but we lack a #1. But, instead of writing this year off, I'm hoping Nicks can step in, but I just don't know.




    [/quote]

    I'm with you 100% on this, I never give up on them, hell who thought we'd beat the Pats going into that game, noone but us fans right?

    but to be realistic, I think there is max a 5-10% chance Nicks can be a number 1 his rookie season.

    but, here is to him being the next Colston or Boldin, it does happen once every few years out of ALL the WR's drafted.
    [/quote]




    This has been my point entirely.

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