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  • Cut Deihl, Restructure....Here's AThought...

    Everyone is complaining about how he's still on the roster and taking up CAP, but maybe there's a good reason. How come no one has considered that Reese is using his salary on the books as a negotiating tactic? Hes already cleared enough money to make moves and resign people at our price. So like, we got a good deal with Beatty cuz Reese can just say "Hey, here's my CAP....what do you want? We need Diehl as a RT...". Same with Phillips, Bennett, Cruz, and Boothe. Granted we lost 2 of them, but why is it good to release Diehl and give Bennett $5mil/season? It puts you in position to over pay for a guy and/or weaken your stance. If you don't have the money then stats and such can't be argued and it comes down to playing in NY and as a Giant with your buddies. It's just a thought but seems like a reasonable thought process for a GM trying to manage the CAP. And then in the end Diehl is going to be released anyway we don't over pay for anyone and the money is freed when we need it. What do you guys think?

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    We dont overpay anyone. Beside Diehl,. Snee, Rolle and Tuck are overpaid.

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    • #3
      Diehl is insurance for Boothe, has nothing to do with Bennett or anyone else you mentioned.
      "Once a Giant, ALWAYS, a Giant."

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      • #4
        Right. But the point is Diehls salary becomes a barganing tool for Reese in achieving that end.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
          Diehl is insurance for Boothe, has nothing to do with Bennett or anyone else you mentioned.
          He does if you consider his salary a bargaining tool.

          What's the point of cutting him and having an agent know you have money to spend when you can just say "look, the money isnt there..."?

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          • #6
            So what you're saying is that Dieh isn't completely useless after all?

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            • #7
              CUT.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hugehomer View Post
                We dont overpay anyone. Beside Diehl,. Snee, Rolle and Tuck are overpaid.
                yes snee, Rolle and tuck all need to take pay cuts
                Football has been very, very good to us.
                After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                4-New York Giants!!!
                5-NE
                Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                • #9
                  They all scream for Huge Raises when they have stellar Seasons.. So it should go both ways.. If you stink it up like those 3 did last season then they should have to take pay reductions based on performance
                  Football has been very, very good to us.
                  After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                  But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                  # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                  1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                  2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                  3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                  4-New York Giants!!!
                  5-NE
                  Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                  ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by hugehomer View Post
                    We dont overpay anyone. Beside Diehl,. Snee, Rolle and Tuck are overpaid.
                    We don't consdier them overpaid when they enter the agreements
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • #11
                      I think if....and thats a big if...the Giants do cut Diehl it would probably be in camp after they see what they have as a replacement.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ImElectric2 View Post
                        Everyone is complaining about how he's still on the roster and taking up CAP, but maybe there's a good reason. How come no one has considered that Reese is using his salary on the books as a negotiating tactic? Hes already cleared enough money to make moves and resign people at our price. So like, we got a good deal with Beatty cuz Reese can just say "Hey, here's my CAP....what do you want? We need Diehl as a RT...". Same with Phillips, Bennett, Cruz, and Boothe. Granted we lost 2 of them, but why is it good to release Diehl and give Bennett $5mil/season? It puts you in position to over pay for a guy and/or weaken your stance. If you don't have the money then stats and such can't be argued and it comes down to playing in NY and as a Giant with your buddies. It's just a thought but seems like a reasonable thought process for a GM trying to manage the CAP. And then in the end Diehl is going to be released anyway we don't over pay for anyone and the money is freed when we need it. What do you guys think?
                        It is a good thought and it crossed my mind when Phillips didn't re-sign. I would think that the better agents would blow through that tactic for the best players in essesnce saying "hey Jerry, you don't have a cap problem, just cut Diehl and pay my guy what he's worth." Agents a pretty shrewd and blunt. Still as this off season plays out JR does seem to be generating the cap space he needs to sign the players he wants.

                        Here's another possibility. Why cut him until you have to? Why not wait to see who you're likely to have at RT before cutting ties with a known quantity. We don't lose the ability to cut him or renegotiate so why waste time now with an inconseqential deal that is better used elsewhere?
                        No one remembers who came in second.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by hugehomer View Post
                          We dont overpay anyone. Beside Diehl,. Snee, Rolle and Tuck are overpaid.
                          Diehl,Snee and Tuck were not overpaid when they got their contracts. Tuck was an All Pro DE who was paid 7 mil a season thats a damn good deal. Diehl was a LT that got paid 5 mil a season another good contract. Snee was considered the best RG in the game for years and is still relatively young for an OLman.
                          Rolle was always overpaid he never deserved the contract he got. Rolle was also a top ticket FA when everyone is overpaid.Still half the board members cry that the Giants arent overpaying those players this season even though almost everyone of those contracts u never get dollar to dollar value

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Redeyejedi View Post
                            Diehl,Snee and Tuck were not overpaid when they got their contracts. Tuck was an All Pro DE who was paid 7 mil a season thats a damn good deal. Diehl was a LT that got paid 5 mil a season another good contract. Snee was considered the best RG in the game for years and is still relatively young for an OLman.
                            Rolle was always overpaid he never deserved the contract he got. Rolle was also a top ticket FA when everyone is overpaid.Still half the board members cry that the Giants arent overpaying those players this season even though almost everyone of those contracts u never get dollar to dollar value
                            Rolle was also overpaid becasue we were coming out of the CC Brown, Rouse, safety debacle year and JR had to fix that mess at all costs. It is very unusual for us to have our backs against the wall like that.
                            No one remembers who came in second.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NYG4lifeNYK View Post
                              Diehl is insurance for Boothe, has nothing to do with Bennett or anyone else you mentioned.
                              Diehl is our RT.

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