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  • #16
    Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
    I've asked this in another thread, why would you pay him more than Welker?
    He's younger (5 years) and he's more of a home run threat than Welker is.

    You can run Cruz on the outside ... you can't really do that with Welker (he doesn't have the speed to be an outside threat).

    He also doesn't have an ACL injury on his resume.

    And don't forget, Welker turned down an $8M/year offer by the Titans. He's playing with the Broncos for less money.
    I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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    • #17
      Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
      I've asked this in another thread, why would you pay him more than Welker?
      Becasue he's better than Welker and certainly has more potential than Welker.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #18
        I think that as long as Cruz and Condon don't ask for 9 or 10 million a year, I think he will be back in a Giants uni in 2013. Not many teams want to part with a 1st rd pick and sign a huge contract. But there are teams out there that are in good shape in regards to cap space. And one thing to consider with a 1st rd pick---there is no guarantee that pick would turn out to be a boom.

        Any team that would consider making an offer for Cruz has to think, is there a WR worthy of drafting in the 1st rd in this years draft that just stands out and is going to be the next Fitzgerald, Megatron, Andre Johnson, Green, etc.?

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        • #19
          There is a reason no team has given up a RFA first round tender since 2003
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • #20
            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            Becasue he's better than Welker and certainly has more potential than Welker.
            I don't know about that? Welker has more catches over the past 6 or 7 years than anyone in the league.

            I love Cruz but if we could get a 1st rounder and a third let him go. He got his bell rung a couple times last year bad. I don't know how durable he's going to wind up being in the long haul.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by blueman1 View Post
              I don't know about that? Welker has more catches over the past 6 or 7 years than anyone in the league.

              I love Cruz but if we could get a 1st rounder and a third let him go. He got his bell rung a couple times last year bad. I don't know how durable he's going to wind up being in the long haul.
              OK, fact check. We can't get a 1st and 3rd round pick for Cruz. That changed with the last CBA. We only get a 1st round pick.

              Having more catches is great, but Cruz is more versatile as he can, and does, operate on the outside as well as in the slot. The fact that "he got his bell rung" and never missed a game is in his favor.

              Potential is what Cruz has far above whatever Welker has left. Welker turned down more $ to go to Denver. That indicates he's at the end of his career and he knows it. He wants to get to the Super Bowl
              Last edited by RoanokeFan; 03-18-2013, 11:36 AM.
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • #22
                I agree Cruz has more in the tank but he was laying on the field convulsing last year more than once. I have come to the assumption after watching Eli for years is that Eli is what makes the receivers good. Not the receivers. Every time we let someone good go they wind up sucking. i.e. Smith and Manningham.

                We have a QB that can put the ball anywhere. That's why our receivers are so good. I'm not so sure Cruz would be a star if he left. He might want to think about that.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by blueman1 View Post
                  I agree Cruz has more in the tank but he was laying on the field convulsing last year more than once. I have come to the assumption after watching Eli for years is that Eli is what makes the receivers good. Not the receivers. Every time we let someone good go they wind up sucking. i.e. Smith and Manningham.

                  We have a QB that can put the ball anywhere. That's why our receivers are so good. I'm not so sure Cruz would be a star if he left. He might want to think about that.
                  Convulsing?

                  Cruz is a talented reeciver as is Nicks.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by blueman1 View Post
                    I agree Cruz has more in the tank but he was laying on the field convulsing last year more than once. I have come to the assumption after watching Eli for years is that Eli is what makes the receivers good. Not the receivers. Every time we let someone good go they wind up sucking. i.e. Smith and Manningham.

                    We have a QB that can put the ball anywhere. That's why our receivers are so good. I'm not so sure Cruz would be a star if he left. He might want to think about that.
                    Manningham was having a very good year until his injury!
                    Players come and go on the Free Agency Merry-Go-Round, but the N.Y. Giants will always be here!

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      Becasue he's better than Welker and certainly has more potential than Welker.
                      I don't know about that...The first part anyway.

                      IMO, Welker is still the best slot guy in the NFL, and probably will continue to be for the next 1-2 years.

                      Cruz is younger and has more potential, give me Cruz anyday. As far as him being 'better' than Welker right now, I disagree.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by bigjeep View Post
                        Manningham was having a very good year until his injury!
                        He just too a 50% paycut too, so he wouldn't get cut.

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                        • #27
                          I love Cruz, but I fear he's one more huge hit away from losing all confidence over the middle. I just think that last hit stayed with him. If we got a first rounder I''d say goodbye, sad as that is.
                          Just when I don't think it can get any worse, I think of you Ray. I have been to the abyss....thank you for helping me stay positive.

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                          • #28
                            At this point I'm resigned to whatever happens, happens. I'd rather keep him, but at least we'll get a 1st rounder out of it if he's gone (and they'd better make that 1st rounder count -- no Sintims).

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by BigBlueOnes View Post
                              I love Cruz, but I fear he's one more huge hit away from losing all confidence over the middle. I just think that last hit stayed with him. If we got a first rounder I''d say goodbye, sad as that is.
                              It's not likely he'll get an offer sheet. All of the facts we know seem to indicate a desire by him to stay here and a desire by the team to have him here. No guarantees, but if anyone can make it work, it's Reese and Condon
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                              • #30
                                When it's all said and done, I don't expect anyone making an offer before the draft, and Cruz will eventually sign a contract in the $7-$8m range.

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