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    What about our Defensive Schemes? Regardless of who makes the team, i have not been happy with the
    defensive schemes PF deploys.

    IMO, the Giants frequently don't allow players to exploit their natural ability as have been observed being forced to play to the team scheme.
    An example, athough KP left our team via FA, when he was healthy, his role was to play center field, instead of allowing him to play to his strength.

    Was it strictly that we had too many injuries? Or were we forced to be conservative with players playing out of position to compensate for other ineffective players?

    What really pushed my buttons was when the Giants actually played great on 1st and 2nd down crating 3rd and long situations,
    and then too oftern on 3rd and long, they stunk. This may not be exactly accurate but my point of frustration was on 3rd down, if an offense needed ten yards, they got eleven. If a team needed fifteen yards, they got sixteen. It made me shake my head in disgust.

    I'm just not happy with the defensive schemes and philosophy of PF. I'm not a hater either! I base my opinion on what i have observed watching the team for the past 40 years!

    Am I the only one that is concerned about our defensive schemes employed?

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    Originally posted by paulj View Post
    What about our Defensive Schemes? Regardless of who makes the team, i have not been happy with the
    defensive schemes PF deploys.

    IMO, the Giants frequently don't allow players to exploit their natural ability as have been observed being forced to play to the team scheme.
    An example, athough KP left our team via FA, when he was healthy, his role was to play center field, instead of allowing him to play to his strength.

    Was it strictly that we had too many injuries? Or were we forced to be conservative with players playing out of position to compensate for other ineffective players?

    What really pushed my buttons was when the Giants actually played great on 1st and 2nd down crating 3rd and long situations,
    and then too oftern on 3rd and long, they stunk. This may not be exactly accurate but my point of frustration was on 3rd down, if an offense needed ten yards, they got eleven. If a team needed fifteen yards, they got sixteen. It made me shake my head in disgust.

    I'm just not happy with the defensive schemes and philosophy of PF. I'm not a hater either! I base my opinion on what i have observed watching the team for the past 40 years!

    Am I the only one that is concerned about our defensive schemes employed?
    One thing you have to keep in mind is that around here it is never the coaches fault. It is always the players not executing. Let's wait how it plays out during the season since the team will have much different look than last year. The only thing that has not changed is the coaching staff. Right now, everything is pure speculation and nothing more since the FA dust has not settled yet.

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    • #3
      So when the defense plays well its the players and when they play bad it's the coach?

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      • #4
        So true. I agree!
        I'm just so frustrated last year when we had chances to make plays and didn't.

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        • #5
          It's the execution. Too oftern players were out of posiiton and didn't understand their role of responsibilty. That is a statement based upo comments from players last season. Lack of executioin means poor communication between players and coaches. They are all to blame.

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          • #6
            When players we need to perform like Tuck and Osi are lackluster, you can't rely on JPP to save the day all the time.

            Perry Fewell hasn't had a good track record with cornerbacks, so he has had to use that 3 safety net grouping...My guess is that he will need to use an alternative since our safety situation is changing and I dont think we should keep that trend going

            I dont like how Fewell seems to come off weak when it comes to rushing the passer, but that could be the players....we as fans dont know who is at fault really hence the back and forth on the blame game...nobody really knows but we do know that both are kinda at fault here

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            • #7
              Originally posted by paulj View Post
              What about our Defensive Schemes? Regardless of who makes the team, i have not been happy with the
              defensive schemes PF deploys.

              IMO, the Giants frequently don't allow players to exploit their natural ability as have been observed being forced to play to the team scheme.
              An example, athough KP left our team via FA, when he was healthy, his role was to play center field, instead of allowing him to play to his strength.

              Was it strictly that we had too many injuries? Or were we forced to be conservative with players playing out of position to compensate for other ineffective players?

              What really pushed my buttons was when the Giants actually played great on 1st and 2nd down crating 3rd and long situations,
              and then too oftern on 3rd and long, they stunk. This may not be exactly accurate but my point of frustration was on 3rd down, if an offense needed ten yards, they got eleven. If a team needed fifteen yards, they got sixteen. It made me shake my head in disgust.

              I'm just not happy with the defensive schemes and philosophy of PF. I'm not a hater either! I base my opinion on what i have observed watching the team for the past 40 years!

              Am I the only one that is concerned about our defensive schemes employed?
              I can't stand the defense and the DC has no creativity. If the down four is ineffective there is no plan B. I watch time and time again the dependency on the front to carry the defense. there are no DB blitzes, no twist or stunts by the front, no fake blitz then attack by the Lber. its just sad to watch sometimes. With the new wave of offenses in the NFL PF is going to have to change and get creative to survive. We have to get much faster on defense and attack that read option c.rap instead of being reactionary and fallen victim to it.

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              • #8
                Hopeful solutions = draft/FA: DE, DT, LB and CB, besides RT and G

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                • #9
                  Not saying the coaches should never take any blame, but he players we saw in the post season last year did not play that way for most of 2011 or 2012. So why did they look so good with the same coach and the same scheme the last two games and post season in 2011?

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                  • #10
                    Injuries didn't help... but PF is the biggest reason.... yes tuck and osi were ghosts.... thus the front fur got little pressure .... but few ell was so stubborn to give the line help and insisted on relying on the front 4 .... if e could learn to adjust in game and switch it up when it obviously isn't working we might see the team I'mprove.... but fewell is stubborn and sticks to his one flawed game plan..... shiz the few times he ever did blitz Blackburn even got sacks.... but he just won't do it consistently and sticks to his malfunctioning guns.....

                    And the fact that he plays everybody back on 3rd&7, 3rd&10 and 3rd&15 is the most ridiculous thing ever .....he invites the other teams to get the needed yardage


                    Don't know how many times I yell at the TV when I see our corners give 5 yard cushion when the offense only needs like 7 yards.....its idiotic and just stubbornness from fewell and his break and collapse defense

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                    • #11
                      AMEN! Spot on!
                      I hope we can acquire additional quality to as many of these psns as possible: LCB, MLB (Connors helps), SLB, DE, DT (Jenkins helps)

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by paulj View Post
                        What about our Defensive Schemes? Regardless of who makes the team, i have not been happy with the
                        defensive schemes PF deploys.

                        IMO, the Giants frequently don't allow players to exploit their natural ability as have been observed being forced to play to the team scheme.
                        An example, athough KP left our team via FA, when he was healthy, his role was to play center field, instead of allowing him to play to his strength.

                        Was it strictly that we had too many injuries? Or were we forced to be conservative with players playing out of position to compensate for other ineffective players?

                        What really pushed my buttons was when the Giants actually played great on 1st and 2nd down crating 3rd and long situations,
                        and then too oftern on 3rd and long, they stunk. This may not be exactly accurate but my point of frustration was on 3rd down, if an offense needed ten yards, they got eleven. If a team needed fifteen yards, they got sixteen. It made me shake my head in disgust.

                        I'm just not happy with the defensive schemes and philosophy of PF. I'm not a hater either! I base my opinion on what i have observed watching the team for the past 40 years!

                        Am I the only one that is concerned about our defensive schemes employed?

                        If you rush your players in the exact same manner play after play, it becomes easy to block and exploit.

                        Everything flows from there (both pro and con).

                        PF needs to learn to stunt and blitz more creatively.
                        I don't always root for the Cowboys but when I do I wear my pink Jessica Simpson edition Romo jersey. (yes I lost a bet)

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                        • #13
                          KP was one of the best center fielders in the league.

                          Make a better argument please.

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                          • #14
                            Perry Fewell told everybody at his first press conference that fans might not be too happy with his defense because it was designed to stop the big play and would give up a lot of yards, right now to me it looks like its doing both..

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                            • #15
                              Frankly it doesn't matter what scheme the defense is playing, if the guys you're relying on to be stars are playing poorly then the scheme will fail every time. I agree that Fewell doesn't mix up his scheme up front enough, but alot of that is because he likes to mix up the coverages alot to confuse QBs'. It's one of the reasons why the defense forces alot of turnovers DESPITE the stars of the defense (the DL) not doing their end of the deal.

                              The defense needs more speed and athleticism on each level.
                              All Hail The New York Giants!!

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