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  • Which defense is better?

    Given the new breed of QBs like RGIII and Kaepernick, which defense is better suited, the 4-3 or the 3-4? Why?

  • #2
    It's not so much the 4-3/3-4 difference, but the personnel. Either defense can contain these quarterbacks, but its up to the front 7 to execute.

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    • #3
      We will see how long the read option sticks around

      How willing can these teams be to sell out their QBs and get them hit? Look what happened to RG3.

      Bigger issue is that pass rushers in the nfl, both DEs and OLBs do not know how to contain. They make their living by doing the opposite of contain.

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      • #4
        I still think the 10-1 defense is the best. But no one in the NFL has the balls to even try it.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by giants8493 View Post
          I still think the 10-1 defense is the best. But no one in the NFL has the balls to even try it.
          Maybe against the run but all a QB needs to do is backup.

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          • #6
            Personnel wise it's different. The packers have a 3-4 but fell apart in the face of the read option. I'd go with the 4-3 cause if the d line is good enough then the LBs run free. In the 3-4 the d line is stuck behind the o line so the LBs can't be get get to the fast enough cause the blockers can run free with less d line to worry about. That's why a lot of people feel the 4-3 is better against the run so in the face of the read option I'd go with 4-3.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
              Maybe against the run but all a QB needs to do is backup.
              The qb would die if that happened.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                We will see how long the read option sticks around

                How willing can these teams be to sell out their QBs and get them hit? Look what happened to RG3.

                Bigger issue is that pass rushers in the nfl, both DEs and OLBs do not know how to contain. They make their living by doing the opposite of contain.
                and slip, Mike Tomlin agrees with you, he is not a big believer. Defensive coordinators will learn to make adjustments to it.

                http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/90...nfl-flavor-day

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by giants8493 View Post
                  The qb would die if that happened.
                  Not with today's roughing the passer rules. Also the closest thing to 10-1 is the 46 which the jets use. The jets fell apart in the face of the read option.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by giants8493 View Post
                    I still think the 10-1 defense is the best. But no one in the NFL has the balls to even try it.
                    The 2-9 defense worked in Super Bowl XXV.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GentleGiant View Post
                      Not with today's roughing the passer rules. Also the closest thing to 10-1 is the 46 which the jets use. The jets fell apart in the face of the read option.
                      I forgot about today's rules.... He will probably live , but that doesn't mean he will complete the pass!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                        We will see how long the read option sticks around

                        How willing can these teams be to sell out their QBs and get them hit? Look what happened to RG3.

                        Bigger issue is that pass rushers in the nfl, both DEs and OLBs do not know how to contain. They make their living by doing the opposite of contain.
                        But neither Kaepernick nor Russell Wilson got injured and all three teams made it to the playoffs. It's going to be like one down, five more to go. Teams will take that risk to get an offensive advantage to get the Ws and get into the playoffs. They won't care about the other teams getting knocked out of the playoffs even if they lose their mobile QB to injury in the process. That's the problem. It's going to be really about the defense being able to make adjustments as you're pointing out. QBs in college already have to be able to do at least some bit of running to get a starting role.
                        Last edited by BigBlueAllDay; 03-19-2013, 05:51 PM.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by BigBlueAllDay View Post
                          But neither Kaepernick nor Russell Wilson got injured and all three teams made it to the playoffs. It's going to be like one down, five more to go. Teams will take that risk to get an offensive advantage to get the Ws and get into the playoffs. They won't care about the other teams getting knocked out of the playoffs even if they lose their mobile QB to injury in the process. That's the problem. It's going to be really about the defense being able to make adjustments. QBs in college already have to be able to do at least some bit of running to get a starting role.
                          And the dolphins made it to the playoffs with the wildcat. What's your point?

                          Wilson in particular did not run all that much option. Maybe 10% of his plays. Kapernick as he developed also did not run as much of it.

                          Really it was the redskins who used it as their base. And we saw the results of that.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by slipknottin View Post
                            We will see how long the read option sticks around

                            How willing can these teams be to sell out their QBs and get them hit? Look what happened to RG3.

                            Bigger issue is that pass rushers in the nfl, both DEs and OLBs do not know how to contain. They make their living by doing the opposite of contain.
                            Agreed. First time I saw the Skins offense my thoughts were, "What are you guys doing? " Like I expected, RG3 took a beating all year long.
                            Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                            http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                            • #15
                              Shanahan is an idiot. Lets send out our franchise quarterback on a deep passing route so the receiver can lob the ball to him and he can get flattened by Ryan Clark. RG3 was doomed, surprised it took that long to get hurt.

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