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  • Originally posted by titwio View Post
    Oh come on. Players have been doing it since football's inception. He was getting low because a player was in front of him squared up and he dropped his pad level. Do you really think he's using the force of his blow with his helmet? No...he's putting the force of his weight in his momentum with the top of his shoulders. The helmet goes down when players get low.



    No doubt but if a runner drops his pad level then how can it be distinguished if he's actually leading with the crown if helmets make contact (which is going to happen no matter what). Runners can't always run with their heads up and if they plan on protecting themselves.

    I guess all the people speaking out about this rule including former NFL players and RB's haven't done their research either huh? They're just talking from nonsense.
    1) You bend at the knees and hips with your head TILTED UP and sliding to the off side of the defender while using your defender side shoulder making contact. You NEVER lead with head first. If you seriously think Trent was using proper technique you need to some research.

    2) You mean the same players that are now brain damaged and suing the NFL?

    3) Bringing up past players is a moot point. You are under the impression that they as perfectly sound from a technique standpoint. These pro athletes have coach's for a reason. Because they aren't perfect and still need to improve their technique.

    4) for every player complaining I can name 1 or 2 that are for the rule. Players ***** about everything.

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    • Originally posted by AGiantDynasty View Post
      1) You bend at the knees and hips with your head TILTED UP and sliding to the off side of the defender while using your defender side shoulder making contact. You NEVER lead with head first. If you seriously think Trent was using proper technique you need to some research.

      2) You mean the same players that are now brain damaged and suing the NFL?

      3) Bringing up past players is a moot point. You are under the impression that they as perfectly sound from a technique standpoint. These pro athletes have coach's for a reason. Because they aren't perfect and still need to improve their technique.

      4) for every player complaining I can name 1 or 2 that are for the rule. Players ***** about everything.
      You guys keep saying that. It doesnt matter if its "proper technique". Almost all, if not every single rb does this. If you run with your head tilted up into a defender, youre going to break your neck.

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      • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
        You guys keep saying that. It doesnt matter if its "proper technique". Almost all, if not every single rb does this. If you run with your head tilted up into a defender, youre going to break your neck.
        Not every RB leads with the crown of his helmet when running outside of the tackle box.
        Last edited by TCHOF; 03-21-2013, 10:58 AM.

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        • Originally posted by AGiantDynasty View Post
          1) You bend at the knees and hips with your head TILTED UP and sliding to the off side of the defender while using your defender side shoulder making contact. You NEVER lead with head first. If you seriously think Trent was using proper technique you need to some research.
          Why are you numbering each point like your the ambassador for the rule and are schooling the rest of us like we're completely clueless? Your explaining the rule from the standpoint of what they're expecting from players NOW....not before. Trent Richardson was simply doing what every other RB has been doing throughout history including Earl Campbell, OJ Simpson, Walter Payton, Jerome Bettis....(seriously my RESEARCH could go on and on) Some of those plays being involved in the greatest plays of all time to boot.

          Originally posted by AGiantDynasty View Post
          2) You mean the same players that are now brain damaged and suing the NFL?
          There are so many arguments that can be made for this statement that I'm not going to even get started. Would just be wasting my time and the debate would never end. Bottom line is players including former players know what they were getting into and like Deion Sanders said....are now looking for ways to make money off the NFL. But that's another discussion.
          "You killed my family, and I don't like that kind of thing."

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          • You're right, proper technique means absolutely nothing...

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            • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
              Not ever RB leads with the crown of his helmet when running outside of the tackle box.
              At least we agree on one thing

              But don't bother.. according to this board, if Richardson and Campbell does it, all RBs do. Because as we all know, players never make mistakes

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              • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                Not every RB leads with the crown of his helmet when running outside of the tackle box.
                I wasnt talking about where it happens. I was commenting on technique.

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                • Originally posted by nygpolishpunk View Post
                  No, Bradshaw led with the shoulder, not his head.
                  So the ref will be standing there and realize that from the jump? Or is he going to go under the hood for 5 hours?
                  Mood: WOOF!

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                  • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                    I wasnt talking about where it happens. I was commenting on technique.
                    Well the rule only applies outside of the tackle box, so the technique outside of the tackle box is the only technique that is relevant.

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                    • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                      Well the rule only applies outside of the tackle box, so the technique outside of the tackle box is the only technique that is relevant.
                      Its going to happen regardless of where the rb is if leading with his head and shoulders is his style/technique. Iv seen plenty of rbs lead with their head outside the tackle box

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                      • Originally posted by dezzzR View Post
                        Its going to happen regardless of where the rb is if leading with his head and shoulders is his style/technique. Iv seen plenty of rbs lead with their head outside the tackle box
                        Now you'll see them get flagged.

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                        • This new rule is total BS I agree completly. However, its still allowed inside the tackle box, which is where you see RBs lowering there heads anyway. In open field, they just cant bullrush anymore. I think its a crock but it is what it is, and hopefully the backs can adjust, as the defenses have this last year. I really dont think this is going to change much. Plus if the penalty is called on a RB, the play is not taken away, just 15 yards will be taken off the end of the run, which I think was an important addition to the rule.

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                          • Originally posted by zimonami View Post
                            You never know if the refs will have trouble with it until we see some penalties. I don't think this goes away anytime soon, mostly because of the concussion suits. NFL is almost forced to establish that it takes the problem seriously and don't want concussions.
                            You're right about J.Brown... a tough sob. He had such strong legs and hips that he just shred a lot of would be tacklers... left them eating dirt. But there also wasn't a lot of kamikaze tacklers back then. IT was a different game, and the players weren't chiselled rock then, either. Few giuys worked in the offseason, and took weights seriously. Many had to work A second job from December to June. Preseason was to get in shape. Today if you don't come to camp in shape, your at a big disadvantage. You see the old player pics and you don't see the ripped physiques that you see today..
                            I agree with most of what you say here. (Although Brown was ripped, even by today's standards!)

                            But I was responding to the point you and YA were making about the toughness of players from that era and another poster or two who referenced how runners from back in the day "trucked" defenders. I refer to Brown as an example of a RB from that era who "trucked" defenders without feeling the need to spear them in the process. It can be--and has been--done.

                            As to the in-the-grasp rule again, I remember Lambert reacting quite a bit like current RBs are now reacting to this new rule by saying "next, we'll have QBs wearing skirts!" I'm sure his own QB, Bradshaw, appreciated that comment, HA!

                            Anyway, Lambert's reaction sounds a heck of a lot like today's reactions to the RB helmet rule. Yet here we are 30-some years later, making the same comments about how this softening the rules will make a tough sport soft.

                            The largest concern, to me, is what effect this rule may have on officiating and the subsequent pace of the game. Which is what seems to concern YA and perhaps yourself an others on this board. Well, we won't know that until a few weeks into the 2013 season. Between now and then the officials will have a lot of time to review film of all the various potential RB situations and to try to narrow down the actual violations so that they won't be hesitating--or more importantly, overreacting--on every running play beyond 3 yards of the los. (This rule applies to any runner beyond the 3 yards, so WRs, TEs will also be subject to the rule in that situation).

                            Additionally, teams have the entire off season OTAs, mini camps, and pre season camp and games to coach everyone on how to run the ball beyond the los without spearing a defender. Just like they've been doing in recent off seasons with defenders.

                            We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out before we can truly make judgments about how this will "ruin" the game.

                            But the immediate player and fan reaction so far, beyond a legitimate concern for placing another judgement burden upon the officials, is a bit hysterical and misplaced, in my opinion.

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                            • Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                              I agree with most of what you say here. (Although Brown was ripped, even by today's standards!)

                              But I was responding to the point you and YA were making about the toughness of players from that era and another poster or two who referenced how runners from back in the day "trucked" defenders. I refer to Brown as an example of a RB from that era who "trucked" defenders without feeling the need to spear them in the process. It can be--and has been--done.

                              As to the in-the-grasp rule again, I remember Lambert reacting quite a bit like current RBs are now reacting to this new rule by saying "next, we'll have QBs wearing skirts!" I'm sure his own QB, Bradshaw, appreciated that comment, HA!

                              Anyway, Lambert's reaction sounds a heck of a lot like today's reactions to the RB helmet rule. Yet here we are 30-some years later, making the same comments about how this softening the rules will make a tough sport soft.

                              The largest concern, to me, is what effect this rule may have on officiating and the subsequent pace of the game. Which is what seems to concern YA and perhaps yourself an others on this board. Well, we won't know that until a few weeks into the 2013 season. Between now and then the officials will have a lot of time to review film of all the various potential RB situations and to try to narrow down the actual violations so that they won't be hesitating--or more importantly, overreacting--on every running play beyond 3 yards of the los. (This rule applies to any runner beyond the 3 yards, so WRs, TEs will also be subject to the rule in that situation).

                              Additionally, teams have the entire off season OTAs, mini camps, and pre season camp and games to coach everyone on how to run the ball beyond the los without spearing a defender. Just like they've been doing in recent off seasons with defenders.

                              We'll just have to wait and see how this plays out before we can truly make judgments about how this will "ruin" the game.

                              But the immediate player and fan reaction so far, beyond a legitimate concern for placing another judgement burden upon the officials, is a bit hysterical and misplaced, in my opinion.
                              Exactly right... hysterical and misplaced over-reaction... just like the immediate reaction to Sandy Hook and taking guns out of the hands of all citizens.
                              Yes, we have to see what eventuates... and, your point about them having all preseason/camp time to work on this is also relevent. Plus, refs work with the teams... not that refs really know how they'll react to bang-bang incidents.
                              You see guys launching themselves at a ball carriers mid section and in that split second the ball carrier moves his body/head in such a way that they hit helmet to helmet. FLAG. It was not the defenders aim to hit the man's helmet, but that's what happened, and he gets penalized.
                              I think intent means everything... but, you can't recognize intent in that split second.
                              Just like in the vid in this thread where the Eagle defender gets his helmet knocked off. The RB just intended to put his head in the defender's chest... but ended up hitting his face guard and knocking the helmet off. I think in the future that same play draws a flag, and if the helmet is not knocked off, the refs won't throw a flag. In both of those cases the RB's intent was the same... but one will get a flag and the other won't.
                              Like you say... there is time for the refs and the players to sort things out. But, what happens in real life often depends upon a split second feel by a ref for what he thinks he just saw. Since it's not reviewable we'll see all sorts of moaning and groaning that it should, or should not have been called. Being a ref gets harder and harder.

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                              • Originally posted by StrahanSoup92 View Post
                                This new rule is total BS I agree completly. However, its still allowed inside the tackle box, which is where you see RBs lowering there heads anyway. In open field, they just cant bullrush anymore. I think its a crock but it is what it is, and hopefully the backs can adjust, as the defenses have this last year. I really dont think this is going to change much. Plus if the penalty is called on a RB, the play is not taken away, just 15 yards will be taken off the end of the run, which I think was an important addition to the rule.
                                Good to see you, Stray>
                                I didn't get that part until now... taking 15 yds off of the play result. Good, I like that.
                                But, what if it results in a TD? Put the ball out on the 15?

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