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  • #16
    Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
    Regardless of your opinion of Diehl as a player right now, that would be a pretty ****ty thing for the Giants to do to him, especially after the many years he was a valuable true team player for them. And I don't believe that's how the Giants org rolls.

    If they were going to cut him, because they needed the money and presumably because they shared your view of his lack of value to the team, they would have done it already. Why would they hang on to him if they truly thought he had no more value to them, even if only as a back up? To wait until after the draft to see if someone else would come along? What a crappy way of looking at the situation. You really think Reese et al are that petty and weasely?
    I agree, it wouldn't be a classy way to handle the situation but we have to keep in mind that this is a business. The Giants have made Diehl a wealthy man so I think he would get over it.

    I am just really surprised that they haven't approached him to take a pay cut so now I think that they will flat out cut him since no team in the league would pay him the amount of money his is set to make this year.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
      There will be dead money invlolved, I think, and you are not alone in your thoughts. I'm in the minority
      I'm with you RF. I've seen the Oline decimated by injury before. The guy is good depth. I think they want to see how the draft works out and what Brewer brings to OTA's and camp before making any rash moves.
      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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      • #18
        Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
        Regardless of your opinion of Diehl as a player right now, that would be a pretty ****ty thing for the Giants to do to him, especially after the many years he was a valuable true team player for them. And I don't believe that's how the Giants org rolls.

        If they were going to cut him, because they needed the money and presumably because they shared your view of his lack of value to the team, they would have done it already. Why would they hang on to him if they truly thought he had no more value to them, even if only as a back up? To wait until after the draft to see if someone else would come along? What a crappy way of looking at the situation. You really think Reese et al are that petty and weasely?
        You feeling okay today buddy? You kept this post under 2000 words. Something must be wrong. LOL
        Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

        http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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        • #19
          Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          There will be dead money invlolved, I think, and you are not alone in your thoughts. I'm in the minority
          That's why I said "salary". Cutting him would free up more funds than restructuring him would.
          Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
          Regardless of your opinion of Diehl as a player right now, that would be a pretty ****ty thing for the Giants to do to him, especially after the many years he was a valuable true team player for them. And I don't believe that's how the Giants org rolls.

          If they were going to cut him, because they needed the money and presumably because they shared your view of his lack of value to the team, they would have done it already. Why would they hang on to him if they truly thought he had no more value to them, even if only as a back up? To wait until after the draft to see if someone else would come along? What a crappy way of looking at the situation. You really think Reese et al are that petty and weasely?
          The fact that they haven't touched him is what leads me to believe he's sort of in limbo.They've sunk a load of cash into that o-line and they just aren't getting their money's worth. Something has to give.

          I'm not a Diehl hater, it's just the way I see the situation. It's just an opinion, I could easily be wrong.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
            I still reckon they plan on cutting him. He's the contingency plan if they don't get a guy through the draft.
            That's exactly what I'm thinking -- see what happens in the draft and then ask him to take a pay cut if they can't draft his replacement. If they draft a stud G or T in the 1st RD, then they just cut him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
              You feeling okay today buddy? You kept this post under 2000 words. Something must be wrong. LOL
              Fair enough. Nope, I'm feeling just dandy, thank you very much

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              • #22
                Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                I think Reese is just being careful but I can't imagine they see him as a starter.
                Why would he still be on the roster if they werent planning to start him. If they wanted him for a backup, he would have already been offered the paycut, or he would have been cut already.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by StrahanSoup92 View Post
                  Why would he still be on the roster if they werent planning to start him. If they wanted him for a backup, he would have already been offered the paycut, or he would have been cut already.
                  Rotation, depth, call it what you want. There is no reason to push him out the door until they are sure all of the windows are in.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by JJC7301 View Post
                    That's exactly what I'm thinking -- see what happens in the draft and then ask him to take a pay cut if they can't draft his replacement. If they draft a stud G or T in the 1st RD, then they just cut him.
                    I think he gets a pay cut either way. He either starts or is a backup depending on who they get. He only gets cut if he doesn't agree to the pay cut. The FO is waiting to see just how much $ they need as long as they are under the top 51 rule. They won't cut/restructure anyone till they need to.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                      That's why I said "salary". Cutting him would free up more funds than restructuring him would.

                      The fact that they haven't touched him is what leads me to believe he's sort of in limbo.They've sunk a load of cash into that o-line and they just aren't getting their money's worth. Something has to give.

                      I'm not a Diehl hater, it's just the way I see the situation. It's just an opinion, I could easily be wrong.
                      Be careful of that word "restructure." It seems to be the most mis-understood word in the NFL. Diehl is in the last year of his contract, there is nowhere for them to spread out whatever remains of his contract. They want him to re-do his contract so they can cut his pay with no adverse long term CAP strain.
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                        Yes, I was referring to the original media report that he had been asked.
                        sometimes I can even read with comprehension!! sometimes

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Cloud57 View Post
                          It's looks like someone hasn't been telling the truth hmmmmm

                          hmmmm.......yeah, because it couldn't be that the media's speculation was wrong in the first place. You almost NEVER see the media print something they KNOW is just a rumor in order to get the headline. ESPECIALLY when it's about sports.
                          I stopped fighting my inner demons. We're on the same side now.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by FBomb View Post
                            hmmmm.......yeah, because it couldn't be that the media's speculation was wrong in the first place. You almost NEVER see the media print something they KNOW is just a rumor in order to get the headline. ESPECIALLY when it's about sports.
                            +1
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              Be careful of that word "restructure." It seems to be the most mis-understood word in the NFL. Diehl is in the last year of his contract, there is nowhere for them to spread out whatever remains of his contract. They want him to re-do his contract so they can cut his pay with no adverse long term CAP strain.
                              I know what the typical definition of "restructure" is. Poor word selection on my part.

                              As for the Giants wanting to redo his contract.... Where have they said this?

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                              • #30
                                My guess is simply that the team is using the time it has to find better options. They think they can do better than Diehl for substantially less money even after the charge for the cap. If they force the issue with Diehl now to either take a paycut or be cut, then they are stuck with him. They are just warehousing him to see what else they can find out there. If in the end they can't find better then they will move to cut him or resign him at a much lower scale IMO.
                                No one remembers who came in second.

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