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  • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
    Well, and I'm just going to prove your point here, the entire offense didn't do well. To single out one guy when everyone else seemed to suck as well just seems a tad unfair.
    I mean, compared to 2011, Cruz's yardage total dropped by around 500, right? Well, Eli's total dropped by 1000. Did one guy hurt the other or did they each Plax themselves in the foot?

    It's a difficult argument and I'm not sure that there's a correct answer. For every "alligator arms" argument, there's a "mile-high overthrow" rebuttal.

    Ultimately, it's always going to boil down to opinion.
    In regard to the "aligator arms" argument, it is hard to justify 10 million per season which is top WR money for a guy that did aligator arm some critical plays for a number of games after taking a hard and completely clean shot from Ryan Clarke. We were given a gift on the penalty they called on Clarke because that was a clean hit. It is kind of hard to demand top WR money when you short arm it after that. Hakeem Nicks doesn't short arm it.

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    • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
      Well, and I'm just going to prove your point here, the entire offense didn't do well. To single out one guy when everyone else seemed to suck as well just seems a tad unfair.

      I mean, compared to 2011, Cruz's yardage total dropped by around 500, right? Well, Eli's total dropped by 1000.

      Did one guy hurt the other or did they each Plax themselves in the foot?

      It's a difficult argument and I'm not sure that there's a correct answer. For every "alligator arms" argument, there's a "mile-high overthrow" rebuttal.

      Ultimately, it's always going to boil down to opinion.
      I agree with this. Everyone's numbers were escalated in 2011. The lock out created some huge passing numbers around the league.
      To me, Cruz's 2012 was an absolute validation of his 2011 season. Expecting 1500 yards was unrealistic. But the fact that he had 1000 yards+ and 10 TD's was impressive.
      OK...he's not perfect. But he's probably the best slot receiver we've ever had and a great playmaker.
      So the notion that the 500 yard drop from 11 to 12, shows some indication that he's not the player we thought he was, is misguided.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by BuffyBlueII View Post
        In regard to the "aligator arms" argument, it is hard to justify 10 million per season which is top WR money for a guy that did aligator arm some critical plays for a number of games after taking a hard and completely clean shot from Ryan Clarke.
        We're not trying to justify $10 million, though... Or are we?

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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          I agree with this. Everyone's numbers were escalated in 2011. The lock out created some huge passing numbers around the league.
          To me, Cruz's 2012 was an absolute validation of his 2011 season. Expecting 1500 yards was unrealistic. But the fact that he had 1000 yards+ and 10 TD's was impressive.
          OK...he's not perfect. But he's probably the best slot receiver we've ever had and a great playmaker.
          So the notion that the 500 yard drop from 11 to 12, shows some indication that he's not the player we thought he was, is misguided.
          How dare you.

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          • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
            It really is crazy for him to think that after two seasons. Even $10M would be foolish. But I am going to guess Condon will disabuse Victor of any of those kinds of thoughts.
            the thing is, we all thought wallace would be crazy to think 12 mil tho...theres teams out there who will over pay

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            • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
              the thing is, we all thought wallace would be crazy to think 12 mil tho...theres teams out there who will over pay
              There are no teams who will pay Cruz $12M and give up a first round draft pick
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                There are no teams who will pay Cruz $12M and give up a first round draft pick
                huh? thats not my point. the claim was made that theres no upside to playing under the tender for cruz. and there is. the upside is he gets to be an UFA next offseason if he so wishes. And seeing as how Wallace went from no interest as a RFA to 12 mil per as an UFA, its not like cruz would be crazy to think he could get substantially more than 7 mil per

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                • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                  huh? thats not my point. the claim was made that theres no upside to playing under the tender for cruz. and there is. the upside is he gets to be an UFA next offseason if he so wishes. And seeing as how Wallace went from no interest as a RFA to 12 mil per as an UFA, its not like cruz would be crazy to think he could get substantially more than 7 mil per
                  The downside is he could get injured and be offered substantially less than 7mil/yr.

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                  • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
                    huh? thats not my point. the claim was made that theres no upside to playing under the tender for cruz. and there is. the upside is he gets to be an UFA next offseason if he so wishes. And seeing as how Wallace went from no interest as a RFA to 12 mil per as an UFA, its not like cruz would be crazy to think he could get substantially more than 7 mil per
                    We will just disagree. Cruz hasn't put up those numbers for enough years to justify $12M
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      We will just disagree. Cruz hasn't put up those numbers for enough years to justify $12M
                      Not a chance in (you know where) that Cruz will get $12MM next year if he's a free agent.
                      There is simply no friggin way.
                      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                      • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                        Not a chance in (you know where) that Cruz will get $12MM next year if he's a free agent.
                        There is simply no friggin way.
                        BUT, if he were to sign a three year deal and put up comparable numbers to his first two years, then who knows??? But NEVA in 2014
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                          I agree with this. Everyone's numbers were escalated in 2011. The lock out created some huge passing numbers around the league.
                          To me, Cruz's 2012 was an absolute validation of his 2011 season. Expecting 1500 yards was unrealistic. But the fact that he had 1000 yards+ and 10 TD's was impressive.
                          OK...he's not perfect. But he's probably the best slot receiver we've ever had and a great playmaker.
                          So the notion that the 500 yard drop from 11 to 12, shows some indication that he's not the player we thought he was, is misguided.
                          and with Nicks banged up and the running game not very good, he was the focus of defenses this season, and still had a really nice one.

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            Not a chance in (you know where) that Cruz will get $12MM next year if he's a free agent.
                            There is simply no friggin way.
                            Hell is not profane but you could use Hades
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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