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  • #31
    If we re-sign Cruz, i probably don't want to bother with Nicks next year. I don't know of a single team that has potentially 18 million tied up their WRs. And there's probably a good reason why,
    http://boards.giants.com/showthread....est-game/page6
    http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/11_2554_A_brief,_fact-filled_history_of_the_NFL_passing_game.html
    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8732732/is-new-york-giants-qb-eli-manning-worthy-hall-fame-espn-magazine

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    • #32
      Originally posted by nhpgiantsfan View Post
      Why is everyone acting like its done. Obviously Victor hasn't accepted the deal. If he liked the offer wouldn't it be done already. I don't see this article as a positive. I see it as we offered him more than the other guys and he still hasn't agreed.
      Yep, that's how I'm seeing it as well. This looks to be a take-it-or-leave-it offer from the Giants, and so far Cruz has left it well alone.

      Either he's waiting to see if another team makes an offer, or he's content to play out the upcoming season under tender.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
        Yep, that's how I'm seeing it as well. This looks to be a take-it-or-leave-it offer from the Giants, and so far Cruz has left it well alone.

        Either he's waiting to see if another team makes an offer, or he's content to play out the upcoming season under tender.
        I wish him better that Steve Smith with that. It sounds like a very generous offer from the Giants given that his contract expires next year. If he wants to roll the dice, so be it. He always has his fashion design company to fall back on.
        No one remembers who came in second.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
          Yep, that's how I'm seeing it as well. This looks to be a take-it-or-leave-it offer from the Giants, and so far Cruz has left it well alone.Either he's waiting to see if another team makes an offer, or he's content to play out the upcoming season under tender.
          We're hardly that far removed from what happened to Steve Smith and the impact turning down a contract had on his life. I can't imagine Cruz doesn't know what he's gambling with.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by jomo View Post
            I wish him better that Steve Smith with that. It sounds like a very generous offer from the Giants given that his contract expires next year. If he wants to roll the dice, so be it. He always has his fashion design company to fall back on.
            I am comfortable with where the Giants offer is reported to be, and if they decide that's their limit, then I have no problem with that. If Cruz decides to roll the dice and get through this season with the hope of getting more money next offseason, then I have no problem with his decision either.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Eli TO Shockey View Post
              Cruz is going nowhere. Giants would have not offered this contract if condon and ownership didnt agree on terms.

              Love the deal
              Eh, huh? It obviously hasn't been accepted by Cruz . . .

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              • #37
                Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                I am comfortable with where the Giants offer is reported to be, and if they decide that's their limit, then I have no problem with that. If Cruz decides to roll the dice and get through this season with the hope of getting more money next offseason, then I have no problem with his decision either.
                I agree. This is still a free country and that's how it works.
                No one remembers who came in second.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Ruttiger711 View Post
                  We're hardly that far removed from what happened to Steve Smith and the impact turning down a contract had on his life. I can't imagine Cruz doesn't know what he's gambling with.
                  I do reckon he'll sign, he's just waiting to see if any other opportunities present themselves before doing so. He's entitled to that.

                  He still has two weeks to make the decision.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by gumby74 View Post
                    If we re-sign Cruz, i probably don't want to bother with Nicks next year. I don't know of a single team that has potentially 18 million tied up their WRs. And there's probably a good reason why,
                    Detroit Lions have more than that with Calvin Johnson alone (ave of 18.8 million).

                    Yes, he's currently the consensus best WR in the NFL now, and yes, that's too much money for a single player that is not a franchise QB. But that is nonetheless at least "a single team that has 18 million tied up in their WRs (to say the least).

                    You don't think other teams are willing--in this so-called "passing league now" that every body on this board and everywhere else seems so fond of repeating ad infinitem--to pay a total of 18 million for 2 WRs who are each considered to be among the top 10 (or even top 15) receivers today?
                    Last edited by gmen46; 03-23-2013, 09:03 PM.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by gmen46 View Post
                      Detroit Lions have more than that with Calvin Johnson alone (ave of 18.8 million).

                      Yes, he's currently the consensus best WR in the NFL now, and yes, that's too much money for a single player that is not a franchise QB. But that is nonetheless at least "a single team that has 18 million tied up in their WRs (to say the least).

                      You don't think other teams are willing--in this so-called "passing league now" that every body on this board and everywhere else seems so fond of repeating ad infinitem--to pay a total of 18 million for 2 WRs who are each considered to be among the top 10 (or even top 15) receivers today?
                      The Eagles are paying $13 mil just for DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin. $5 mil extra for Nicks and Cruz sounds worth it.

                      Atlanta have $18 mil between White, Jones and Gonzalez.
                      Last edited by Flip Empty; 03-23-2013, 09:15 PM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                        The Eagles are paying $13 mil just for DeSean Jackson and Jeremy Maclin. $5 mil extra for Nicks and Cruz sounds worth it.

                        Atlanta have $18 mil between White, Jones and Gonzalez.
                        Problem isn't so much Nicks and Cruz taking up 15 to 18 million. Its that once Eli is added in its 35 to 38 million in those 3 players. Nicks and Cruz won't even be the 2nd and 3rd highest paid on the team. Heck next year the Giants will have 38.6 million taken up by Eli, Rolle and Snee. Adding in Nicks and Cruz and you'll have at least 53 mil in 5 players. Which is fine, if you don't have major holes anywhere else.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                          Eh, huh? It obviously hasn't been accepted by Cruz . . .
                          Parties close in negotiations normally lead to offers.

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                          • #43
                            Soon enough, Eli, JPP, Cruz, and Nicks will be the highest paid players on our team, taking up sizable cap space.


                            They're also our best players, so who cares? Someone's gonna get paid that money, theoretically, it should be your best players.
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                            • #44
                              If he doesn't accept it just trade him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Zaggs View Post
                                How many teams though have an 8 mil and a 7 mil receiver? Both Welker and Amendola are the highest paid receivers on their teams I believe. Plus it would mean tying up about 35 mil in cap space on only 3 players. Not unheard of, but makes it more difficult to keep players around them.
                                Actually, this could work out great for us since Nicks will get his deal one year after Cruz (saying Cruz accepts a 3 year contract).

                                Say we sign Cruz to a 3 year deal this year and then Nicks to a 5 year deal the following year. We can have their contracts staggered in such a way that by the time Nicks is hitting the huge money in his deal, Cruz' comes off the books. By that time, Randle will be up for a contract and then we can decide whether we resign Randle or Cruz. I'd also imagine that we'll probably have another WR waiting in the wings by then, too.
                                Last edited by Drez; 03-23-2013, 10:13 PM.

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