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  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
    they are too complex because they can be voided by the team.
    which is where guaranteed money comes in

    guaranteed money isnt a signing bonus

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    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
      Well what does "$7 or $8 MM" really mean.
      Does it represent the average if he plays out the entirety of the deal? Does it mean what we have to count this season? That figure means nothing really.
      All that matters is the guaranteed money, the amount of years that we have his rights, and the cap hit.

      If you look at Ed Reed, he got essentially a 1 year, $6MM deal. Its shown as 3 years and $15MM, but that's really not what it is unless the Texans want to keep him after this year. These NFL deals can't be reduced to "annual pay". they are too complex because they can be voided by the team.
      I don't have any way of knowing the structure and I am betting the leak was "3 yrs/$21+M and the math was easier to do averaging it out rather than guessing at all of the scenarios.. I think you are right about year one, but there are ways to get around that and they know how to do that. Even Welker's deal turned out to be not so lucrative "if..." The devil will be in the details.
      Last edited by RoanokeFan; 03-24-2013, 11:03 AM.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • Originally posted by bansaw View Post
        guaranteed money has nothing to do with cap

        it just means he's guaranteed that money agreed upon

        say 4yrs at 32 million ... 20 million guaranteed. back load year 4 for cap
        I'm sorry but that's just not true at all.
        Lets say he signs a deal worth $28MM with $11M bonus ( 4 years) and a $1.5MM salary year one. That would be $12.5MM guaranteed. The cap hit year one would be $4.25MM year one even though he gets $11M at the day of the signing. $11MM divided by 4, plus $1.5MM).
        So guaranteed money can mean that the deal is front loaded but the cap hit isn't.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          We've already heard a lot of bogus "reports" since free agency started.
          Say it isn't so But you have to admit Tisch saying "more than Welker" tends to put the low tide reading around $7M
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • Originally posted by bansaw View Post
            which is where guaranteed money comes in

            guaranteed money isnt a signing bonus
            "Guaranteed money" is the signing bonus plus any guaranteed salary. Usually, year one salary is guaranteed. Sometimes part or all of year 2 as well.
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              Say it isn't so But you have to admit Tisch saying "more than Welker" tends to take the low tide reading around $7M
              yeah but it could be a huge salary in the last year that bumps up the average but he may never see.
              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                I'm sorry but that's just not true at all.
                Lets say he signs a deal worth $28MM with $11M bonus ( 4 years) and a $1.5MM salary year one. That would be $12.5MM guaranteed. The cap hit year one would be $4.25MM year one even though he gets $11M at the day of the signing. $11MM divided by 4, plus $1.5MM).
                So guaranteed money can mean that the deal is front loaded but the cap hit isn't.
                you're thinking guaranteed money is signing bonus for some reason

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                • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                  yeah but it could be a huge salary in the last year that bumps up the average but he may never see.
                  It absolutely could, but that's not going to be known for some time. I suspect his guarantee will be around half of the aggregate in a 3 year deal.
                  “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                  • guaranteed money is money you will make if you get hurt or cut

                    a signing bonus is a way to keep cap numbers lower

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                    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      I think they have a line they won't cross with Cruz so they can have Nicks signed as well going into the 2014 season. The CAP space numbers improve some after 2013.
                      7 for Cruz and 9 for Nicks- if he stays healthy...I think that's doable.
                      Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                      http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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                      • Originally posted by bansaw View Post
                        you're thinking guaranteed money is signing bonus for some reason
                        Maybe I'm not explaining myself here.
                        Guaranteed money is a signing bonus PLUS any guaranteed salary.
                        It would be perfectly normal to guarantee to a player that his first years salary will be paid no matter what. So if this is the deal, the guaranteed money is the entirety of the signing bonus (paid upfront) PLUS the first years salary. So if Cruz gets a bonus of $11MM and his first years salary is $1.5MM, his guaranteed money is $12.5MM. He will get the signing bonus up front (even though they are generally spread out over the life of the deal) and get his salary during the season.
                        If get tears up his knee and can't play anymore, he would keep the $11M and get his salary during the course of the season.
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • Originally posted by B&RWarrior View Post
                          7 for Cruz and 9 for Nicks- if he stays healthy...I think that's doable.
                          That could well be the case. Also factor in Randle's play in 2013. If he lights it up and Nicks doesn't play a full season again, they may just.......
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            Maybe I'm not explaining myself here.
                            Guaranteed money is a signing bonus PLUS any guaranteed salary.
                            It would be perfectly normal to guarantee to a player that his first years salary will be paid no matter what. So if this is the deal, the guaranteed money is the entirety of the signing bonus (paid upfront) PLUS the first years salary. So if Cruz gets a bonus of $11MM and his first years salary is $1.5MM, his guaranteed money is $12.5MM. He will get the signing bonus up front (even though they are generally spread out over the life of the deal) and get his salary during the season.
                            If get tears up his knee and can't play anymore, he would keep the $11M and get his salary during the course of the season.
                            Aren't you supposed to be in Church?
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • I give up

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                              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                That could well be the case. Also factor in Randle's play in 2013. If he lights it up and Nicks doesn't play a full season again, they may just.......

                                NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
                                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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