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    first off prety darn good game ,Tuck played a lot better and was a force, JPP is a sick dude thanks Reese.

    Good all around game but to all the intelligent fans that understand football this is for u.

    Let me start with game management 12 man call was smart coaching by the jets and dumb coaching by TC.

    Killdrive before the half with 2 + mins backed up comes out with 2 straight passes ??? am I missing something ? not one run to take some time off. Of course we get put in 3rd and 11 and cruz scores a 99 yard td. now before you guys give killdrive credit just think if cruz doesnt make that catch. 3 striahgt passes backed up and take no time off the clock ?? that is bad game managment. Yes we scored the td so its all forgotten.

    Leading by 2 scores with 8 mins left we call pass play and right at Revis ? wtf is wrong with our coaching ? int almost pick 6. Honestly game management again.

    Ok with the lead giants calling plays with 8 secs left on play clock ?? am I the only smart one on this board that catches these things??

    There is a lot of debate on these boards about where the blame lies and today proves our players are fine and its the coaches that are the problem. Even Fewel had a couple of prevents on 3rd and 12. Mostly thou it was TC and killdrive showing there bad grip on football today. Even the mor on goose even called them out.
    great call going after revis !
    bad coaches I am sorry.

  • #2
    Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

    The only thing that really ticked me off is when, I believe, there was about 8 minutes left in the 4th and we came out threw the ball when clearly we should have been running to run the clock down some. Just one run play at least but they went for the pass to Nicks that got tipped and intercepted and gave the Jets life.

    Also, Jacobs was having a nice day, 7 carries for 42 yards, and I think he should have gotten the ball a little more.

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    • #3
      Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

      Win or lose there is always a lot of belly aching on this board.

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      • #4
        Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

        Lets break down this nightmare of a post.

        first off prety darn good game ,Tuck played a lot better and was a force, JPP is a sick dude thanks Reese.



        Good all around game but to all the intelligent fans that understand football this is for u.

        Cool I played football and been watching film a lot of my life so i think this includes me,


        Let me start with game management 12 man call was smart coaching by the jets and dumb coaching by TC.


        Umm how was this smart by the jets - they went for it on 4th and the giants had to many men ont eh field - if anything this is a spot where our mlb needs to call timeout but yeah the coaches could have seen it too - still not sure how brilliant a move it was by the jets (and wait your gonna tell me after this game the jets coaching deserves credit - odd a million jet fans would disagree...but go on.


        Killdrive before the half with 2 + mins backed up comes out with 2
        straight passes ???
        This is odd - i wonder if it had anything to do with the 6 combined rushing yards - but yeah Gilbride plays on the oline right? Gilbride wasn't getting a push right - weird.

        am I missing something ?
        Yep your missing science which is in the stats.
        not one run to take some
        time off.
        time off? now if you had said one run to get to the 5 so at least we could be ok if we had to punt i would understand - but why take time off - are we not a team that wants to score with 2+ minutes - you realize thats eli's specialty right - the 2 minute drill and that we had 4 negative run plays and one in that spot leads to a safety - yep your missing a lot so far.
        Of course we get put in 3rd and 11 and cruz scores a 99 yard
        td. now before you guys give killdrive credit just think if cruz doesnt
        make that catch. 3 striahgt passes backed up and take no time off the
        clock ?? that is bad game managment. Yes we scored the td so its all
        forgotten.

        Why should we think in terms of not making plays - with this logic we can also say what if on first eli had connected for a 5yard dunk or what if barden doesnt slip and he catches the open out - but lets imagine cruz drops an easy ball - and a nice play call - yep he made it special but it would have been enough for the first anyhow. And sorry the giants arent about running clock even backed up - you'll have to go back to the days of Dave Brown to get that treatment. But we have a top 4 qb - so yep he is gonna get chances especially when the oline is getting mauled in the run game.


        Leading by 2 scores with 8 mins left we call pass play and right at
        Revis ? wtf is wrong with our coaching ? int almost pick 6. Honestly
        game management again.


        I agree here - they should be running - that said THEY CALLED A RUN PLAY - and Eli WHO IS A PLAYER - saw 8 in the box and checked to a simple slant. Nicks dropped the ball -but yes this is on the coaches? HUH?


        Ok with the lead giants calling plays with 8 secs left on play clock
        ?? am I the only smart one on this board that catches these things??


        Yep - no one know what youre talking about here - they finished the clock out.


        There is a lot of debate on these boards about where the blame lies
        and today proves our players are fine and its the coaches that are the
        problem. Even Fewel had a couple of prevents on 3rd and 12.
        Ok i hate to be rude but now its clear you dont watch football - at NO POINT did fewell ever play prevent or an umbrella did - NEVER HAPPENED. Did they convert a 3rd and 12 - yes - does that mean we are in prevent NOPE. In fact fewell called a ton of press man and the D was pretty nasty - so again whats the problem?

        Mostly thou
        it was TC and killdrive showing there bad grip on football today.
        Hmm odd - Tuck said the reason he got back to being Himself is b/c his coach - thats tom coughlin brought him into his office and challenged him to forget the injuries get the practice and lead - but lets forget that. Do you remember the 30+ pass play to cruz - that was a wheel play called by gilbride and got cruz off of revis and cro - but that design doesnt do anything for you huh?


        Even
        the mor on goose even called them out.

        Never called out TC who has never finished worse then 8-8 as our head coach.
        great call going after revis !

        went at him a little too much i agree - but they believed in nicks and he dropped another two - he'll get going against the boys - still they COACHES got back to the run and the team got going in the second half.
        bad coaches I am sorry.
        A coach who has won a superbowl - gotten to the afc championship with an expansion team and lifetime over 500 - yep awful - you can criticize all you want coughlin knows his stuff.

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        • #5
          Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

          that int to nicks, eli audibled into the pass i believe. nicks blew another catch that hit him in both hands. the ball was actually thrown as good as it coulda been. away from revis but still right in his bread basket.
          eli even said it was a run but the jets d was playing full out vs the run so he checked into the pass.

          theres more than enough to pin on KG, that int was not on him or eli really even. if u put the ball on the wr like that, and it gets tipped up like the wr was intentionally trying to get it picked off, its all on the wr. nicks has been str8 garbage for two weeks now but he'll snap out of it. i bet he hits the jug machine extra this week.

          but everything else i agree with. just bad gameplan with the wr's running rounge routes and just a sloppy game offensively. our run game got going in spite of KG, its like he doesnt understand how to scheme OUR players, you got to work with what u got, call plays the players can execute, he cant.

          our offense was sloppy this and last week. we won today bc for once the d showed up and won us a game and the run game got going in the 2nd half due to the rb's never quitting.

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          • #6
            Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

            [quote user="dave56dj"]Lets break down this nightmare of a post.

            first off prety darn good game ,Tuck played a lot better and was a force, JPP is a sick dude thanks Reese.



            Good all around game but to all the intelligent fans that understand football this is for u.

            Cool I played football and been watching film a lot of my life so i think this includes me,


            Let me start with game management 12 man call was smart coaching by the jets and dumb coaching by TC.


            Umm how was this smart by the jets - they went for it on 4th and the giants had to many men ont eh field - if anything this is a spot where our mlb needs to call timeout but yeah the coaches could have seen it too - still not sure how brilliant a move it was by the jets (and wait your gonna tell me after this game the jets coaching deserves credit - odd a million jet fans would disagree...but go on.


            Killdrive before the half with 2 + mins backed up comes out with 2
            straight passes ???
            This is odd - i wonder if it had anything to do with the 6 combined rushing yards - but yeah Gilbride plays on the oline right? Gilbride wasn't getting a push right - weird.

            am I missing something ?
            Yep your missing science which is in the stats.
            not one run to take some
            time off.
            time off? now if you had said one run to get to the 5 so at least we could be ok if we had to punt i would understand - but why take time off - are we not a team that wants to score with 2+ minutes - you realize thats eli's specialty right - the 2 minute drill and that we had 4 negative run plays and one in that spot leads to a safety - yep your missing a lot so far.
            Of course we get put in 3rd and 11 and cruz scores a 99 yard
            td. now before you guys give killdrive credit just think if cruz doesnt
            make that catch. 3 striahgt passes backed up and take no time off the
            clock ?? that is bad game managment. Yes we scored the td so its all
            forgotten.

            Why should we think in terms of not making plays - with this logic we can also say what if on first eli had connected for a 5yard dunk or what if barden doesnt slip and he catches the open out - but lets imagine cruz drops an easy ball - and a nice play call - yep he made it special but it would have been enough for the first anyhow. And sorry the giants arent about running clock even backed up - you'll have to go back to the days of Dave Brown to get that treatment. But we have a top 4 qb - so yep he is gonna get chances especially when the oline is getting mauled in the run game.


            Leading by 2 scores with 8 mins left we call pass play and right at
            Revis ? wtf is wrong with our coaching ? int almost pick 6. Honestly
            game management again.


            I agree here - they should be running - that said THEY CALLED A RUN PLAY - and Eli WHO IS A PLAYER - saw 8 in the box and checked to a simple slant. Nicks dropped the ball -but yes this is on the coaches? HUH?


            Ok with the lead giants calling plays with 8 secs left on play clock
            ?? am I the only smart one on this board that catches these things??


            Yep - no one know what youre talking about here - they finished the clock out.


            There is a lot of debate on these boards about where the blame lies
            and today proves our players are fine and its the coaches that are the
            problem. Even Fewel had a couple of prevents on 3rd and 12.
            Ok i hate to be rude but now its clear you dont watch football - at NO POINT did fewell ever play prevent or an umbrella did - NEVER HAPPENED. Did they convert a 3rd and 12 - yes - does that mean we are in prevent NOPE. In fact fewell called a ton of press man and the D was pretty nasty - so again whats the problem?

            *Mostly thou
            it was TC and killdrive showing there bad grip on football today.
            Hmm odd - Tuck said the reason he got back to being Himself is b/c his coach - thats tom coughlin brought him into his office and challenged him to forget the injuries get the practice and lead - but lets forget that. Do you remember the 30+ pass play to cruz - that was a wheel play called by gilbride and got cruz off of revis and cro - but that design doesnt do anything for you huh?


            Even
            the mor on goose even called them out.

            Never called out TC who has never finished worse then 8-8 as our head coach.
            great call going after revis !

            went at him a little too much i agree - but they believed in nicks and he dropped another two - he'll get going against the boys - still they COACHES got back to the run and the team got going in the second half.
            bad coaches I am sorry.
            A coach who has won a superbowl - gotten to the afc championship with an expansion team and lifetime over 500 - yep awful - you can criticize all you want coughlin knows his stuff.

            [/quote]Wow did you think all this by yourself? You forgot one important stat about coughlin: Something like 29-49 in Nov/Dec. He is over 500 but nothing much to show for other than the SB and that was not even his doing! Coughlin is just as bad as Fassel was and Fassel had Kerry Collins not Eli the "elite".

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            • #7
              Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

              Ha only a ring and apparently he didnt have anything to do with it - was he not the coach?-AND yep i wrote it all by my lonesome and used something you probably dont understand - called stats which is like science - and you believe in smells and colors - enjoy that.

              Its clear you just dont know x's and o's of football mentioning prevent defense and not understanding audibles.

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              • #8
                Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                [quote user="dave56dj"]Ha only a ring and apparently he didnt do it - and yep i did - cause i believe in science - and you believe in smells and colors - enjoy that.[/quote]And Jimmy Johnson has 2 rings hell even what's his name Barry Switzer has one, does that make them great coaches? I bet you have a lot of BS since you believe in science. So what does the law of probability says Coughlin will do in the playoffs? Remember the stats: 29-49 in Nov/Dec and not much to show in the playoffs.

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                • #9
                  Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                  Remind me about that prevent d we were in?

                  Or tell me how the coaches should be blamed for Eli checking at the line.

                  Actually check out Coughlins playoff record you'd be surprised - but keep bringing up the only stat you have.

                  Oh and yes Jimmy Johnson was in fact a good coach. Are you aware of what he did in college as well? THAT WAS AT MIAMI - DO YOU KNOW MIAMI? Funny you bring up Switzer too - he and Johson are one of only two coaches to win championships in the nfl AND college but yeah THEY SUUUCK. Your about 15 years old i assume. I wonder if you'd give credit to Parcells for his 2 superbowl rings.

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                  • #10
                    Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                    [quote user="dave56dj"]Lets break down this nightmare of a post.

                    first off prety darn good game ,Tuck played a lot better and was a force, JPP is a sick dude thanks Reese.



                    Good all around game but to all the intelligent fans that understand football this is for u.

                    Cool I played football and been watching film a lot of my life so i think this includes me,


                    Let me start with game management 12 man call was smart coaching by the jets and dumb coaching by TC.


                    Umm how was this smart by the jets - they went for it on 4th and the giants had to many men ont eh field - if anything this is a spot where our mlb needs to call timeout but yeah the coaches could have seen it too - still not sure how brilliant a move it was by the jets (and wait your gonna tell me after this game the jets coaching deserves credit - odd a million jet fans would disagree...but go on.


                    Killdrive before the half with 2 + mins backed up comes out with 2
                    straight passes ???
                    This is odd - i wonder if it had anything to do with the 6 combined rushing yards - but yeah Gilbride plays on the oline right? Gilbride wasn't getting a push right - weird.

                    am I missing something ?
                    Yep your missing science which is in the stats.
                    not one run to take some
                    time off.
                    time off? now if you had said one run to get to the 5 so at least we could be ok if we had to punt i would understand - but why take time off - are we not a team that wants to score with 2+ minutes - you realize thats eli's specialty right - the 2 minute drill and that we had 4 negative run plays and one in that spot leads to a safety - yep your missing a lot so far.
                    Of course we get put in 3rd and 11 and cruz scores a 99 yard
                    td. now before you guys give killdrive credit just think if cruz doesnt
                    make that catch. 3 striahgt passes backed up and take no time off the
                    clock ?? that is bad game managment. Yes we scored the td so its all
                    forgotten.

                    Why should we think in terms of not making plays - with this logic we can also say what if on first eli had connected for a 5yard dunk or what if barden doesnt slip and he catches the open out - but lets imagine cruz drops an easy ball - and a nice play call - yep he made it special but it would have been enough for the first anyhow. And sorry the giants arent about running clock even backed up - you'll have to go back to the days of Dave Brown to get that treatment. But we have a top 4 qb - so yep he is gonna get chances especially when the oline is getting mauled in the run game.


                    Leading by 2 scores with 8 mins left we call pass play and right at
                    Revis ? wtf is wrong with our coaching ? int almost pick 6. Honestly
                    game management again.


                    I agree here - they should be running - that said THEY CALLED A RUN PLAY - and Eli WHO IS A PLAYER - saw 8 in the box and checked to a simple slant. Nicks dropped the ball -but yes this is on the coaches? HUH?


                    Ok with the lead giants calling plays with 8 secs left on play clock
                    ?? am I the only smart one on this board that catches these things??


                    Yep - no one know what youre talking about here - they finished the clock out.


                    There is a lot of debate on these boards about where the blame lies
                    and today proves our players are fine and its the coaches that are the
                    problem. Even Fewel had a couple of prevents on 3rd and 12.
                    Ok i hate to be rude but now its clear you dont watch football - at NO POINT did fewell ever play prevent or an umbrella did - NEVER HAPPENED. Did they convert a 3rd and 12 - yes - does that mean we are in prevent NOPE. In fact fewell called a ton of press man and the D was pretty nasty - so again whats the problem?

                    *Mostly thou
                    it was TC and killdrive showing there bad grip on football today.
                    Hmm odd - Tuck said the reason he got back to being Himself is b/c his coach - thats tom coughlin brought him into his office and challenged him to forget the injuries get the practice and lead - but lets forget that. Do you remember the 30+ pass play to cruz - that was a wheel play called by gilbride and got cruz off of revis and cro - but that design doesnt do anything for you huh?


                    Even
                    the mor on goose even called them out.

                    Never called out TC who has never finished worse then 8-8 as our head coach.
                    great call going after revis !

                    went at him a little too much i agree - but they believed in nicks and he dropped another two - he'll get going against the boys - still they COACHES got back to the run and the team got going in the second half.
                    bad coaches I am sorry.
                    A coach who has won a superbowl - gotten to the afc championship with an expansion team and lifetime over 500 - yep awful - you can criticize all you want coughlin knows his stuff.

                    [/quote]


                    Dude you dont know what your talking about. Let me clarify and hopefully you will understand. Just beause you were a bench warmer for some little league team doesnt qualify you as an x and o guy. Forget x's and o's for a minute.

                    Backed up in your own end you typially arent looking to score. Main objective backed up is too get as many positve yards as possible and get out of danger area. correct ?For you to say that Eli is great with 2 min drill is kind of a stup id thing to say. yes we know that but again backed up in your end they werent thinking about scoring. My problem was if you dont get 1st down why give Jets ball near midfield with over 2 mins. There offense is clearly din k and dunk so with 2 mins left would give them ample time. I wanted us to atelast run one or 2 times get a couple yards and kill some clock and then throw on 3rd down. Again it went for td but that was becuase of cruz's super human effort the throw was at the sticks to ge first down not to score a td but a first down. It just ended up like that.

                    Prevent defense reference was a joke. Meaning no rush and drop everyone so Sanchez would have 7 secs to throw the ball.

                    Calling polays with 8 secs left on play clock is just dumb football.

                    Throwing the ball with 2 score lead and right to Revis is dumb again. I dont care if people say its Nicks is fault. Doesnt matter you havve to live with the call. PLaying smart safe football with 2 score lead isnt a bad thing. See how fast things could have changed. We actually did jets a favor calling that play. Just like calling plays with 8 secs left on play clock again help the jets . Good game management.

                    Giants won becuase they made more plays than the jets and were lucky on a couple of plays. they fumbled snap at the 2 yard line was kind of a gift.

                    Overall I thought we played a good game except for some of the coaching.

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                    • #11
                      Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                      [quote user="sheepdip"]
                      Throwing the ball with 2 score lead and right to Revis is dumb again. I dont care if people say its Nicks is fault. Doesnt matter you havve to live with the call. PLaying smart safe football with 2 score lead isnt a bad thing. See how fast things could have changed. We actually did jets a favor calling that play. Just like calling plays with 8 secs left on play clock again help the jets . Good game management.[/quote]

                      The coach called a run play. Eli changed it to a pass play. Why are you blaming the coach?

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                      • #12
                        Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                        That play could have ended our season ? as the cowboys game was still playing out.

                        Not a big deal I guess to most here!

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                        • #13
                          Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                          [quote user="sheepdip"]
                          Leading by 2 scores with 8 mins left we call pass play and right at Revis ? wtf is wrong with our coaching ? int almost pick 6. Honestly game management again.
                          [/quote]

                          before you go calling out some fans for being unintelligent you yourself should understand that a run play was sent in from the sidelines and Eli checked out when he saw the box stacked

                          this one is not on the coaches ....sorry brother

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                          • #14
                            Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                            Glad the D showed up....now the passing game looks lost....and I agree,most of the playing calling wasn't good at all..

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                            • #15
                              Re: great win for the players as coaches tried to loose us the game

                              IMO this game shouldnt been as close at it was.... We really could have dominated the Jets but our OC coaching is just to all or nothing...

                              I mean 3rd and 1 shotgun and pass at that???
                              late in the game drive come passing when even if we would have run 3 straight times we take a couple more minutes off... We would have punted...

                              We forced the Jets to punt I think 9 times... We had turnovers and safteys... This was a real good showing but the Giants D ubt at the end of the day the O has to score at a higher percentage... The truth is it wasnt the O that couldnt do, we punted a few times and a turn over for just terrible palycalling...

                              That game shoulf have been a blowout... The O has to do a better job with scoring and keeping drives alive...

                              That game was won dominated by the D...
                              Go Giants!!!

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