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  • #61
    Originally posted by StrahanSoup92 View Post
    Still dont understand what OLine all these posters saw last year, but the pass protection was not the problem at all. This line isnt even close to as bad as posters here seem to think. Ill take 20 sacks every year, and Im sure Eli would agree.

    The real prob is next offseason, when Diehl Boothe and Snee are gone, then we will have a serious problem (if not prepared for).
    I saw an offensive line that didn't give their QB enough time. He was forced to throw on short time that limited his options. I also saw an OL that couldn't move a DL in short yardage situations if their lives depended on it. We don't have a single player there who I believe can be a fixture for the next 5 years.
    No one remembers who came in second.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by jomo View Post
      I saw an offensive line that didn't give their QB enough time. He was forced to throw on short time that limited his options. I also saw an OL that couldn't move a DL in short yardage situations if their lives depended on it. We don't have a single player there who I believe can be a fixture for the next 5 years.
      I think Beatty is good for that. He's the only one, though. Hopefully, we can grab a guy early (rds 1-3) in the draft to help anchor the OL. If we are extremely fortunate, Brewer will pan out and become a solid, even if not a stellar, fixture at RT.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Drez View Post
        I think Beatty is good for that. He's the only one, though. Hopefully, we can grab a guy early (rds 1-3) in the draft to help anchor the OL. If we are extremely fortunate, Brewer will pan out and become a solid, even if not a stellar, fixture at RT.
        Beatty is OK but I worry about his health (he's had his share of injuries and he still has the lingering back). He is also a finesse guy which never gets me fired up. We're not running behind him either on 3rd and short. If he stays healthy, I agree that he is the one who will be here for 5-7 years but I'm talking about "Who is the stud on our OL that we can build around?" We don't have that guy IMO.
        No one remembers who came in second.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Drez View Post
          You disagreeing with me doesn't change the veracity of my statement. Eli, viz our sack numbers, makes the OL look better than they are by being able to either adjust the protections of the RBs and TEs or by unloading the ball before the pressure gets home.

          If you think our OL has been a top 10 OL the past 2 seasons, then I really have no idea what to say to that. Eli was the most pressured QB in the NFL in '11, being pressured on ~40% of his dropbacks and helped the team to having the last place rushing attack. Last year, while there was improvement (more in run blocking than pass protecting), Eli was still harassed with frequency. I think the OL ranked out as the 22 or so pass blocking OL. That is not top 10.
          exactly. ms said eli doesnt like hanging in the pocket for the wr to break free like i seen him claim simms was the greatest at it and how its this endearing quality that shows a qbs toughness so of course eli doesnt like to lol...even tho, under pressure, from 2010-halfway thru 2012 eli was the most pressured qb according to Cosell. And eli was top 5 in almost every passing category while under pressure.

          that GW TD to Cruz against tampa bay, watch eli the entirety of the play. elis getting popped on a ton of plays people dont notice bc their attention follows the ball. i cant tell u how many td passes eli throws or in general where he just gets creamed bc he hung in the pocket...guys prob the toughest qb and altho he gets rid of it as quickly as possible, that "as possible" is tied to his understanding of how long is needed for the play to develop

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          • #65
            Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
            exactly. ms said eli doesnt like hanging in the pocket for the wr to break free like i seen him claim simms was the greatest at it and how its this endearing quality that shows a qbs toughness so of course eli doesnt like to lol...even tho, under pressure, from 2010-halfway thru 2012 eli was the most pressured qb according to Cosell. And eli was top 5 in almost every passing category while under pressure.

            that GW TD to Cruz against tampa bay, watch eli the entirety of the play. elis getting popped on a ton of plays people dont notice bc their attention follows the ball. i cant tell u how many td passes eli throws or in general where he just gets creamed bc he hung in the pocket...guys prob the toughest qb and altho he gets rid of it as quickly as possible, that "as possible" is tied to his understanding of how long is needed for the play to develop
            I have been ordered to ignore your posts. I would like to respond, but since I am now the kindler, gentler Morehead, I can only say that we must agree to disagree.
            Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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            • #66
              There's no sure-fire way to guard against injury. You'd be ensuring nothing.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by jomo View Post
                I saw an offensive line that didn't give their QB enough time. He was forced to throw on short time that limited his options. I also saw an OL that couldn't move a DL in short yardage situations if their lives depended on it. We don't have a single player there who I believe can be a fixture for the next 5 years.
                and Eli was only sacked a league low 19 times(starters). is this saying that the OL was not that bad? or that Eli gets rid of the ball for good or worse rather than take the sack? or a combo of both?

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Drez View Post
                  And I ask again, what does that have to do with anything I said?
                  What exactly are you referring to?

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                    and Eli was only sacked a league low 19 times(starters). is this saying that the OL was not that bad? or that Eli gets rid of the ball for good or worse rather than take the sack? or a combo of both?
                    It says he know how to throw the ball away unlike Rodgers who doesn't want to screw up his stats and would rather take a sack.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      I have been ordered to ignore your posts. I would like to respond, but since I am now the kindler, gentler Morehead, I can only say that we must agree to disagree.
                      ive been rarely posting and when i do its nothing but good convo for months. im even getting along w/o warring with rosie. what r u talking about at all? ur post serves no purpose, and it wouldnt surprise me if the mods ordered u not to respond to me sadly.

                      what they should do is get u to stop instigating with LITERALLY dozens of posters every other day. and u can use the ignore feature. peace...

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by StrahanSoup92 View Post
                        Im sorry but I disagree with you, his pocket presence and ability to get the ball out may save a few sacks, but if the Oline isnt doing there job, he would have been sacked a lot more, and that is a fact.

                        I still think this is a top ten Oline, no doubt, at least for one more year.
                        I don't know what OL you were watching last year, but the NYG OL last year was mediocre at best. If they can improve it, and Nicks can stay healthy, look for a big improvement in points scored this year. RT is the main issue right now.

                        As others have said, sacks allowed only tell part of the story. Total pressure allowed is a better measurement. NYG OL total pressure allowed courtesy PFF:

                        2008: 114 (6th)
                        2009: 144 (17th)
                        2010: 145 (8th)
                        2011: 221 (32nd...last)
                        2012: 167 (18th)

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                        • #72
                          ELIIIIIIIIII!!!! is already one of the greatest giants of all time... I'd love to see him stick around for a bunch of more years
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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                            I don't know what OL you were watching last year, but the NYG OL last year was mediocre at best. If they can improve it, and Nicks can stay healthy, look for a big improvement in points scored this year. RT is the main issue right now.

                            As others have said, sacks allowed only tell part of the story. Total pressure allowed is a better measurement. NYG OL total pressure allowed courtesy PFF:

                            2008: 114 (6th)
                            2009: 144 (17th)
                            2010: 145 (8th)
                            2011: 221 (32nd...last)
                            2012: 167 (18th)
                            So not bad? Our defense is ranked 31st, that take priority.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by StrahanSoup92 View Post
                              Still dont understand what OLine all these posters saw last year, but the pass protection was not the problem at all. This line isnt even close to as bad as posters here seem to think. Ill take 20 sacks every year, and Im sure Eli would agree.
                              Look at how he got D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D by San Fran in the 2011 Championship Game. It's all on Eli that we stayed in that game. Our line was way outclassed by them.
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by jomo View Post
                                I saw an offensive line that didn't give their QB enough time. He was forced to throw on short time that limited his options. I also saw an OL that couldn't move a DL in short yardage situations if their lives depended on it. We don't have a single player there who I believe can be a fixture for the next 5 years.
                                Beatty for sure and Snee has been solid his whole career. He's older now, so he probably won't last 5 more years. We don't know how Brewer or Mosely will work out. Our line is not great but we have a couple of players to work with.
                                Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

                                http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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