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  • Originally posted by KillaRich View Post
    I haven't read the whole thread ... And from what I read on these boards you're a knowledgeable poster...... But you kind if made yourself silly by calling him silly for saying Eli doesn't wait and take the hit.... That's one I the things I love about Eli ..... He waits as long as possible to make a play..... Sometimes it ends up as a very bad decision other times as "holy crap nice" play..... Eli takes the hits and it does worry me at times
    not to mention, isnt it kinda (edit: choose ur own adjective I dont wanna name call) to continually tell people how he won't be responding to them? i cant think of a reason to actually tell a person "i wont respond to u" instead of simply just not responding to them. I guess he thinks its a devastating blow as opposed to good news that he wont bother a person lol...


    and good post btw. elis courage and willingness to take a hit so a play can be made is understood by anyone with an IQ over an eggplant

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    • Originally posted by KillaRich View Post
      I haven't read the whole thread ... And from what I read on these boards you're a knowledgeable poster...... But you kind if made yourself silly by calling him silly for saying Eli doesn't wait and take the hit.... That's one I the things I love about Eli ..... He waits as long as possible to make a play..... Sometimes it ends up as a very bad decision other times as "holy crap nice" play..... Eli takes the hits and it does worry me at times
      Eli doesn't take a lot of big hits. . He's not a guy who stands tall in the pocket. I just see a different player than you do.
      Kids got many fine qualities but that's just not one of them. There is a little chuck and duck in both Mannings. I'm sure it contributes to their longevity which is fine with me. Maybe in the end it helps the team.
      I'm not saying that he never waits for a guy to get open amid a pass rush, but I am saying its not his tendency.
      Given our mediocre O line, Eli would have taken a lot more sacks if he does what you describe.
      Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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      • Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
        not to mention, isnt it kinda (edit: choose ur own adjective I dont wanna name call) to continually tell people how he won't be responding to them? i cant think of a reason to actually tell a person "i wont respond to u" instead of simply just not responding to them. I guess he thinks its a devastating blow as opposed to good news that he wont bother a person lol...


        and good post btw. elis courage and willingness to take a hit so a play can be made is understood by anyone with an IQ over an eggplant
        I'm happy to respond to you but I'm not getting caught up in those petty name calling arguments.
        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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        • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
          I'm talking about text speak and not abbreviations.
          w/o is a standard abbreviation for without. Granted, it's not used is scholarly works, but it isn't considered text-speak by any stretch of the imagination. Just be glad I'm not proficient in 1337 anymore, lol. That would be sure to blow your gasket, lol.

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          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
            Citing one play is kind of silly....don't you think?
            Point is that he doesn't have that particular tendency. Not a huge knock, just the way it is.
            His biggest problems over the years have come when he throws the ball too early. Saw it less in 2011, but seemed to creep back into his game in 2012.
            Peyton has some of that in him too.
            His receivers just weren't getting open in time in 2012, combine that with a lackluster line, and you have a QB that's throwing the ball "too early."

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            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              Eli doesn't take a lot of big hits. . He's not a guy who stands tall in the pocket. I just see a different player than you do.
              Kids got many fine qualities but that's just not one of them. There is a little chuck and duck in both Mannings. I'm sure it contributes to their longevity which is fine with me. Maybe in the end it helps the team.
              I'm not saying that he never waits for a guy to get open amid a pass rush, but I am saying its not his tendency.
              Given our mediocre O line, Eli would have taken a lot more sacks if he does what you describe.
              I see the chuck and duck too, but I don't see "chuck and duck" as being mutually exclusive with "waiting for the last second". Eli can and will throw it in obviously bad situations (much to our frustration), but he's still waiting until the end to actually do it. He just knows how to deal with a rusher about to hit him in such a way that he can take the hit with the least amount of physical punishment possible, which is good for his longevity...

              I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite team in the NFL.

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              • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                w/o is a standard abbreviation for without. Granted, it's not used is scholarly works, but it isn't considered text-speak by any stretch of the imagination. Just be glad I'm not proficient in 1337 anymore, lol. That would be sure to blow your gasket, lol.
                w/o probably wasn't the best example. But you get my point I'm sure.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                  Eli doesn't take a lot of big hits. . He's not a guy who stands tall in the pocket. I just see a different player than you do.
                  Kids got many fine qualities but that's just not one of them. There is a little chuck and duck in both Mannings. I'm sure it contributes to their longevity which is fine with me. Maybe in the end it helps the team.
                  I'm not saying that he never waits for a guy to get open amid a pass rush, but I am saying its not his tendency.
                  Given our mediocre O line, Eli would have taken a lot more sacks if he does what you describe.
                  No offence but you probably only see what you want to see... 2nd Super Bowl run Eli wasn't sacked a lot ..... But was hit a while bunch.... Eli takes the hits bro.... It's FACT.... Just accept it

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    Eli doesn't take a lot of big hits. . He's not a guy who stands tall in the pocket. I just see a different player than you do.
                    Kids got many fine qualities but that's just not one of them. There is a little chuck and duck in both Mannings. I'm sure it contributes to their longevity which is fine with me. Maybe in the end it helps the team.
                    I'm not saying that he never waits for a guy to get open amid a pass rush, but I am saying its not his tendency.
                    Given our mediocre O line, Eli would have taken a lot more sacks if he does what you describe.
                    Just because he doesn't step up into a hit doesn't mean he doesn't wait until the last second to make a play. Eli will throw off his back foot to lessen the impact of a hit (among other things), but that still doesn't mean that he isn't taking hits or not waiting to get rid of the ball. Discretion is the better part of valor.

                    Does he sometimes get rid of the ball a little earlier than he should? Absolutely. However, it isn't this pathological trait of Eli's that you make it seem.

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                    • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                      w/o probably wasn't the best example. But you get my point I'm sure.
                      While I do find it annoying, I think your main point was more to make a dig at the way 420 posts than any ideological opposition to text speak (I do believe that it really does irk you). I'm not trying to be judgmental in saying that; that's the way it played on this side of the computer screen, at least. Like I said, I'm not trying to make a personal attack, it just came off as being more a dig against 420 than text-speak.

                      Believe me, I have a background in education. I know how irritating it can be, especially when that lingo seeps its way into academic work.

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                      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                        Just because he doesn't step up into a hit doesn't mean he doesn't wait until the last second to make a play. Eli will throw off his back foot to lessen the impact of a hit (among other things), but that still doesn't mean that he isn't taking hits or not waiting to get rid of the ball. Discretion is the better part of valor.

                        Does he sometimes get rid of the ball a little earlier than he should? Absolutely. However, it isn't this pathological trait of Eli's that you make it seem.
                        "pathological trait"? ..........Come on!

                        This is where I get off this debate. If you want to deal with the football aspects that's fine. But to suggest that I am saying this is a pathological trait of Eli's is jumping the shark.
                        Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                        • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                          While I do find it annoying, I think your main point was more to make a dig at the way 420 posts than any ideological opposition to text speak (I do believe that it really does irk you). I'm not trying to be judgmental in saying that; that's the way it played on this side of the computer screen, at least. Like I said, I'm not trying to make a personal attack, it just came off as being more a dig against 420 than text-speak.

                          Believe me, I have a background in education. I know how irritating it can be, especially when that lingo seeps its way into academic work.
                          It just a pet peeve of mine. You may have noticed that I have a few of those.
                          Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            "pathological trait"? ..........Come on!

                            This is where I get off this debate. If you want to deal with the football aspects that's fine. But to suggest that I am saying this is a pathological trait of Eli's is jumping the shark.
                            You denying it is where it jumps the shark, MS.

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                            • Eli has a quick release and does a good job of getting his body in a good position as not to take the full force of hits. (unless he take a "bleeder" to the face like in preseason) There have been times when he takes a beating but he only does that when he is throwing the ball deep and it usually ends up in a big play. It's funny for a guy who takes criticism for not being "athletic" he sure plays a lot more snaps than those "athletic" guys. /knock wood.

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                              • Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                                He's seemingly neglected the line the entire time he's been in charge. Not sure why.
                                I also find it annoying but it is what it is.

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