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  • #16
    Originally posted by gmenfan0488 View Post
    or he holds out, doesn't play in 2013, and leaves in 2014.
    That can't happen. If he holds out long enough, he forfeits the 2013 season and is right back to RFA in 2014.
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • #17
      Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
      he can hold out and as long as he signs the tender by week 10 making him an UFA in 2014 or a candidate for the franchise tag at around $10 million or so. the bigger dilemma is that the giants would certainly lose one of he or hakeem nicks in 2014 because they wont be able to pay both of them at the same time and there is only one franchise tag. he very well could hold out and still make $1.19 million for playing 7 games which is more than he made in any other year. I think he holds out and tries to get paid. somebody will absolutely overpay with out penalty of losing a 1st round pick although I think at this point in his career he is worth overpayment if anybody is.
      I don't think he can hold out and be a UFA in 2014. All of the indications are that this deal is gong to get done.
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • #18
        Originally posted by appodictic View Post
        The hold up is cruz holding the organization up for every dollar possible. I hear his agent is even asking if he can be 5 minutes late to every meeting or cruz refuses to salsa after TDs.
        How is he "holding the organization up"?
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • #19
          Because they can't make any definite plans for the draft since they're unsure if they'll have Cruz on board for 2014.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
            Because they can't make any definite plans for the draft since they're unsure if they'll have Cruz on board for 2014.
            You don't think they already have their draft board?
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • #21
              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              You don't think they already have their draft board?
              If Cruz signs its one less thing to worry about.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                If Cruz signs its one less thing to worry about.
                You assume "they" are worried
                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                • #23
                  I don't think it would be sound advice to make him sign and play under the Tender to become a UFA next offseason and go for a bigger contract. A lot can happen in a long NFL season. He could, A. Have a great season and cash it big time in 2014 and laugh all the way to the bank. He could B. have a sub par season and wind up getting offers worth a lot less then what the Giants offer was. Or he could C. Have a bad injury and totally lose out and wind up just trying to catch on somewhere and have to play for Vet Min till he proves he can still play.
                  Football has been very, very good to us.
                  After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                  But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                  # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                  1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                  2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                  3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                  4-New York Giants!!!
                  5-NE
                  Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                  ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                  • #24
                    I think the beat advice after 4/19 from Tom condon would be to accept the Giants offer or a variation of it. That would be the safest route for his financial future
                    Football has been very, very good to us.
                    After losing seasons 2013-15, the giants put up 11 wins in 16.. they are on way Back
                    But for now we can console ourselves with this fact-

                    # of Super Bowl victories since 1985:

                    1-Chicago, St. Louis, Tampa Bay, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Seattle
                    2-Washington, Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Baltimore
                    3-San Francisco, Dallas, Denver
                    4-New York Giants!!!
                    5-NE
                    Let's make it 5 in 2016 so we can be on a LINE NE again!!!

                    ***Stat provided by "Schloss22"***

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                      You assume "they" are worried
                      You assume they aren't? No-one knows one way the other.

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                      • #26
                        Apparently the world isn't beating down Victor's door quite the way he thought it would. The Giants now have a lot of time to deal with him. He really doesn't have much negotiating room anymore either, with Welker and Amendola both signing for roughly $6 mil/year, that's pretty much Victor's number at this point. He might get a little more because he plays nearly every down; but not much. It's in his and the Giants best interest to get a deal done some time this off season, but, there's no presure as far as the Giants are concerned. If this carries on into the regular season, Victor has a lot more to lose that the Giants. A bad season could really hurt his value, as could an injury of any major severity. If the Giants aren't hearing what they want by draft day, they could conceivably turn up the heat a little more. As it is I think Cruz is going to see Randle and Murphy cut into his playing time some. Murphy's the home run ball kind of guy in the lines of Wallace that can stretch the field. Randle has good outside size that Cruz lacks. They're both probably going to get their share of time.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                          You assume they aren't? No-one knows one way the other.
                          I don't think they're worried at all. It's a standard contract. negotiation. Cruz is playing here in 2013.
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                            You assume "they" are worried
                            Im worried a bit. If we lose Cruz, we lose a ton on offense, and lately it seems liek we need to out score teams more then stop teams with our defense.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              I don't think they're worried at all. It's a standard contract. negotiation. Cruz is playing here in 2013.
                              Keyword: "think". You don't know. Until Cruz signs one of the contracts available to him, nothing is certain. For all we know he could hold out.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Flip Empty View Post
                                Keyword: "think". You don't know. Until Cruz signs one of the contracts available to him, nothing is certain. For all we know he could hold out.
                                Yes, but what should they be worried about? Not signing the long term deal is a possibility, so what? That's on Cruz if it happens, which I doubt. Not signing the tender really isn't probable since there are fines and the possibility of losing credit for the 2013 season. If he were to hold out, the fines after 20 days would exceed his salary for 2012 and he'd be an RFA in 2014.

                                Plus, they are now working with an agent who is respected and works well with Jerry Reese. He has the right to negotiate the best deal he can and there is no rush to do that right now. He has been talking to Eli and he also talked with TC.
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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