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  • #16
    Sure but there's still no basis on saying Nicks is one of the best in corner fades if we have no evidence. Even if he was hurt that doesn't count as proof.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sovereign View Post
      Sure but there's still no basis on saying Nicks is one of the best in corner fades if we have no evidence. Even if he was hurt that doesn't count as proof.
      Well he'a done it many times before.
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      • #18
        Bigger, more talented Wideouts are better at catching the fade. Its simple physics.

        Is Nicks good at it? Generally, I'd say hes slightly above average. But I dont remember him catching a single one last year, hurt or not this doesnt help his argument.

        I almost guarantee that if you take the top 30 WR in the league, there would be a strong correlation between fade routes completed and height. To think otherwise would be foolish
        Last edited by CowboysSuck; 03-31-2013, 04:25 PM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
          Bigger, more talented Wideouts are better at catching the fade. Its simple physics.

          Is Nicks good at it? Generally, I'd say hes slightly above average. But I dont remember him catching a single one last year, hurt or not this doesnt help his argument.

          I almost guarantee that if you take the top 20 WR in the league, there would be a strong correlation between fade routes completed and height. To think otherwise would be foolish
          How are you supposed to execute a successful fade route if you have both foot and knee injuries on the same leg? That's not even close to fair. Not to mention they tried it 6 times in the same game, which is putting even more stress on the injured parts..
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
            How are you supposed to execute a successful fade route if you have both foot and knee injuries on the same leg? That's not even close to fair. Not to mention they tried it 6 times in the same game, which is putting even more stress on the injured parts..
            I absolutely agree with you.

            So back to my original point: Either Gilbride should figure it out, or forget it.

            ...But Im not saying I believe height has nothing to do with it (because it certainly does)

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            • #21
              They run the corner fade because it is one of the most difficult plays for a defender to make, and its incredibly rare to get a turnover off of it.

              Difficult play for the receiver, yes, but its a relatively safe play to choose.

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              • #22
                If you get anyone one on one on the corner you should probably throw to them. IF you dont have the confidence, get a new receiver.
                Just remember Kevin Love makes more money then OBJ, and OBJ also dunks better.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
                  I absolutely agree with you.

                  So back to my original point: Either Gilbride should figure it out, or forget it.

                  ...But Im not saying I believe height has nothing to do with it (because it certainly does)
                  Mhm.
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Sovereign View Post
                    Sure but there's still no basis on saying Nicks is one of the best in corner fades if we have no evidence. Even if he was hurt that doesn't count as proof.
                    I assume you have watched a New York Giants game? Nicks was hampered by injuries this past year, but when he's healthy he's absolutely one of the best at it.

                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ici6dqkrZiM

                    Check that link at 2:09-2:24. Tell me again how Nicks isn't one of the best at catching fades.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by CowboysSuck View Post
                      Bigger, more talented Wideouts are better at catching the fade. Its simple physics.

                      Is Nicks good at it? Generally, I'd say hes slightly above average. But I dont remember him catching a single one last year, hurt or not this doesnt help his argument.

                      I almost guarantee that if you take the top 30 WR in the league, there would be a strong correlation between fade routes completed and height. To think otherwise would be foolish
                      It's foolish physics. How many times did we run a fade with Barden while he was here? Playing big is more important than height. Nicks at just under 6'1" is far from short, he has great leaping ability and body control. He tracks the ball among the best in the league attacks it at its highest point. All those things are more important than height.

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                      • #26
                        If by corner route you mean redzone fade, then it's simple why we run it so often: it's the best route in the redzone. You can only commit one player to the receiver, therein making it the safest throw. Add on top of that Eli's accuracy, and Nicks' ability -- when healthy -- to outman a corner, and it's a slam dunk play.

                        My guess is everyone would prefer throwing TE seams in congested zones, seven yards before the goal line.

                        Take into consideration what kind of options open up when this play can be successfully ran. If a receiver has the option, and a corner cheats, he can just run the slant. If the fade is designed to the Z receiver, and the defense commits a safety to him, the Y runs a seam and is likely to score.

                        Very important route to establish. This thread blows.
                        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                          If by corner route you mean redzone fade, then it's simple why we run it so often: it's the best route in the redzone. You can only commit one player to the receiver, therein making it the safest throw. Add on top of that Eli's accuracy, and Nicks' ability -- when healthy -- to outman a corner, and it's a slam dunk play.My guess is everyone would prefer throwing TE seams in congested zones, seven yards before the goal line.Take into consideration what kind of options open up when this play can be successfully ran. If a receiver has the option, and a corner cheats, he can just run the slant. If the fade is designed to the Z receiver, and the defense commits a safety to him, the Y runs a seam and is likely to score. Very important route to establish. This thread blows.
                          Ok.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                            If by corner route you mean redzone fade, then it's simple why we run it so often: it's the best route in the redzone. You can only commit one player to the receiver, therein making it the safest throw. Add on top of that Eli's accuracy, and Nicks' ability -- when healthy -- to outman a corner, and it's a slam dunk play.

                            My guess is everyone would prefer throwing TE seams in congested zones, seven yards before the goal line.

                            Take into consideration what kind of options open up when this play can be successfully ran. If a receiver has the option, and a corner cheats, he can just run the slant. If the fade is designed to the Z receiver, and the defense commits a safety to him, the Y runs a seam and is likely to score.

                            Very important route to establish. This thread blows.
                            But, Nicks isn't 6'4", so he can't possibly run the fade well.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Drez View Post
                              But, Nicks isn't 6'4", so he can't possibly run the fade well.
                              Height is advantageous, but if you Barden-blow, then it's pointless. Because of their physicality, Nicks and Boldin both excel in that pattern.
                              My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                                Height is advantageous, but if you Barden-blow, then it's pointless. Because of their physicality, Nicks and Boldin both excel in that pattern.
                                Yup. Like I said earlier in the thread, it's isn't how big you are, it's how big you play.

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