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  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    How does he not deserve it?

    Oh ..and deserve does not equal "get".
    Because he doesn't do the things that make a WR deserve $10m+ a year, namely dominate on the outside. He deserves a pay day, just not $10m+ big.

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    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
      "It's unclear exaclty what Jay-Z and Cruz's new representation will ask for, but we can bet they won't be handing out any discounts. Cruz appears to be seeking a similar contract to the five-year, $56 million deal Dwayne Bowe got from the Chiefs a month ago.

      This is just media hype and speculation. While acknowledging they don't know, they will tell us anyway.
      Hmm, don't you think this is a pretty interesting turn of events? I am not sure if changing agents meant that Cruz was necessarily leaning towards working it out with the Giants current offer. I think all the speculations few weeks ago were blown to pieces. His agent did not become a rogue or something making decisions for Cruz he had no idea about which seemed so preposterous in the first place. Cruz knew exactly what he wanted and what he was looking for. He dropped his agent clearly to work with Jay Z and his new venture. If Cano could drop Scott Boras, then Cruz could easily drop whoever his agent was. I doubt we will get this guy at $6 million a year if he's been looking for $10 million all along. Considering Tom Condon was also the agent for Tony Romo who was rewarded with a $108 million contract for winning a single playoff, I bet he could make a better case for Cruz. The only good thing about it is that CAA has the history of getting extensions for the players for their current team, instead of going to free agency...just don't expect it to be at the price we want to keep him.

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      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
        Because he doesn't do the things that make a WR deserve $10m+ a year, namely dominate on the outside. He deserves a pay day, just not $10m+ big.
        If you look at his salary the past two years, and compare it to his level of production, he in my opinion deserves it. Will he get it? Not from us.
        Mood: WOOF!

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        • Originally posted by AllHailEli View Post
          Hmm, don't you think this is a pretty interesting turn of events? I am not sure if changing agents meant that Cruz was necessarily leaning towards working it out with the Giants current offer. I think all the speculations few weeks ago were blown to pieces. His agent did not become a rogue or something making decisions for Cruz he had no idea about which seemed so preposterous in the first place. Cruz knew exactly what he wanted and what he was looking for. He dropped his agent clearly to work with Jay Z and his new venture. If Cano could drop Scott Boras, then Cruz could easily drop whoever his agent was. I doubt we will get this guy at $6 million a year if he's been looking for $10 million all along. Considering Tom Condon was also the agent for Tony Romo who was rewarded with a $108 million contract for winning a single playoff, I bet he could make a better case for Cruz. The only good thing about it is that CAA has the history of getting extensions for the players for their current team, instead of going to free agency...just don't expect it to be at the price we want to keep him.
          Speculation is just that. Factually, the Giants, according to Steve Tisch, offered Cruz "more than Welker and Amendola." Most speculation put that in the $7M neighborhood. We know he changed agents and Tom Condon is now representing his football interests.

          I'm not sure what you mean by "turn of events." CAA (TomCondon) and Roc Nation (Jay-Z) are affiliated. Do I think Cruz knew that when he changed agents? Of course he did.
          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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          • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
            If you look at his salary the past two years, and compare it to his level of production, he in my opinion deserves it. Will he get it? Not from us.
            Paying a player for what he did in the past is a sure fire path to a terrible team.

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            • Originally posted by Jahh View Post
              Not worth $10M+ a year
              I like Cruz, but he isn't worth 10 mil a year lol

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              • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                Paying a player for what he did in the past is a sure fire path to a terrible team.
                Um..them what do you pay him based off of?
                Mood: WOOF!

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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  Speculation is just that. Factually, the Giants, according to Steve Tisch, offered Cruz "more than Welker and Amendola." Most speculation put that in the $7M neighborhood. We know he changed agents and Tom Condon is now representing his football interests.

                  I'm not sure what you mean by "turn of events." CAA (TomCondon) and Roc Nation (Jay-Z) are affiliated. Do I think Cruz knew that when he changed agents? Of course he did.
                  I meant, Cruz knew exactly the money he was looking for. He did not drop his agent because he became rogue or anything, etc. etc. He wanted to test free agency because he's definitely not happy with the current Giants offer. And I doubt he changed agents mainly for the Giants benefit. It seems to me him and Cano will get Jay Z's new venture started, that's the bottom line...and he still wants his money. Let's take our blinders off. With CAA history of working their players to get extensions instead of becoming free agents, be prepared to open the wallet for Cruz. As I said Tom Condon just signed Tony Romo to a $108 million contract with that one playoff win.

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                  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                    Um..them what do you pay him based off of?
                    You pay him based upon his anticipated performance in the future, which of course you must use the past to predict. My point, though, is that you can't overpay the guy going forward to compensate for him being underpaid in the past.

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                    • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                      Paying a player for what he did in the past is a sure fire path to a terrible team.
                      Do you want to reword this? If that wasn't how the process worked, individual statistics would be meaningless and the teams could save a lot of salaries for people who keep track of that stuff.
                      Last edited by RoanokeFan; 04-04-2013, 05:46 PM.
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • Originally posted by TCHOF View Post
                        You pay him based upon his anticipated performance in the future, which of course you must use the past to predict. My point, though, is that you can't overpay the guy going forward to compensate for him being underpaid in the past.
                        I never said he's getting that money from us, we don't have it and we are not paying him $10 million. Does he deserve it elsewhere? Yes.
                        Mood: WOOF!

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                        • The guys saying "let him walk" are funny. This is his one shot at a lifetime security type contract, you can bet he's going to leverage for every extra penny. The NFL is a business after all it's said and done.

                          If I was him and saw what Bowe was making, you can bet I'd ask for close to that if not more. Cruz turned the SB winning season around in that Jets game, not to mention getting squarely in Belichick's head in the big game, allowing Nicks and Mario to do their things. What in the world has Bowe ever done?

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                          • Originally posted by AllHailEli View Post
                            I meant, Cruz knew exactly the money he was looking for. He did not drop his agent because he became rogue or anything, etc. etc. He wanted to test free agency because he's definitely not happy with the current Giants offer. And I doubt he changed agents mainly for the Giants benefit. It seems to me him and Cano will get Jay Z's new venture started, that's the bottom line...and he still wants his money. Let's take our blinders off. With CAA history of working their players to get extensions instead of becoming free agents, be prepared to open the wallet for Cruz. As I said Tom Condon just signed Tony Romo to a $108 million contract with that one playoff win.
                            You are making a lot of assumptions that aren't based on any facts we have available to us. Do you agree Cruz has the right to negotiate his contract?
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              Do you want to reword this? If that wasn't how the process worked, individual statistics would be meaningless and the teams could save a lot of salaries for people who keep track of.
                              I think he's absolutely right. You pay a player for what you think he WILL DO for you in the future. You don't reward him for past success unless you think he'll continue to do it.
                              Obviously, past performance can indicate future success, but they don't pay a player for past performance.
                              Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                              • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                                I think he's absolutely right. You pay a player for what you think he WILL DO for you in the future. You don't reward him for past success unless you think he'll continue to do it.
                                Obviously, past performance can indicate future success, but they don't pay a player for past performance.
                                You base his potential on his past performance.
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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