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  • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
    You base his potential on his past performance.
    Right. But, that is different than paying some for past performance. For instance, Cruz. We won't give him more than we think he's worth simply because he had 2 great seasons while making a minimum salary. The FO will use those 2 seasons to establish what they believe is a fair market value for him, but won't give him extra because of it.

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    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
      His salary the past two seasons is irrelevant, as he was getting paid that for being a UDFA (much of which was his own doing). Either way, if you are a WR and want $10m+ a year, you need to dominate on the outside. Cruz does not do that. He's good on the outside, but not special. In the slot he's special. Hell, $8m/year is very high for the slot, considering the other 2 premier slot guys got $6m/yr contracts.
      An UDFA who deserves money for putting up great numbers for only being a "slot" guy.
      Mood: WOOF!

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      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
        Right. But, that is different than paying some for past performance. For instance, Cruz. We won't give him more than we think he's worth simply because he had 2 great seasons while making a minimum salary. The FO will use those 2 seasons to establish what they believe is a fair market value for him, but won't give him extra because of it.
        I never mentioned his prior contract which is irrelevant to a new contract. I am saying his past performance will have a lot to do with his potential moving forward.
        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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        • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          I never mentioned his prior contract which is irrelevant to a new contract. I am saying his past performance will have a lot to do with his potential moving forward.
          Then you misunderstood the original post, which suggested that Cruz deserved more because​ he made so little earlier.

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          • Originally posted by Drez View Post
            Then you misunderstood the original post, which suggested that Cruz deserved more because​ he made so little earlier.
            I think he deserves $8M +/- based on his performance and potential
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
              An UDFA who deserves money for putting up great numbers for only being a "slot" guy.
              He deserves a new contract, but not anything more than what is market value for a slot guy. He isn't going to get, nor should get, any extra money simply because he wasn't making much as a UDFA.

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              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                Do you want to reword this? If that wasn't how the process worked, individual statistics would be meaningless and the teams could save a lot of salaries for people who keep track of that stuff.
                It actually did seem clearer in my head than it does in my post!

                You obviously have to look at past performance to try to predict future performance, but you can't pay a guy more for future performance because you think he was underpaid in the past.

                An analagous situation is when fans want to reward an all-time great player for past performance. For example, Bears fans wanted to meet Uhrlacher's asking price because he has been such a great Bear and he "deserves" it. But his projected future performance is only worth a one year $2M deal, and that's what the Bears offered him. That's why he's on the street now.

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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  I think he deserves $8M +/- based on his performance and potential
                  I agree with that. However, I do not agree with giving him more than that because he outperformed his old contract.

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                  • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                    Then you misunderstood the original post, which suggested that Cruz deserved more because​ he made so little earlier.
                    I'm confused, the OP has to do with Bowe's numbers.
                    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                      He deserves a new contract, but not anything more than what is market value for a slot guy. He isn't going to get, nor should get, any extra money simply because he wasn't making much as a UDFA.
                      Well I was simply implying that he deserves to get paid. Maybe not $10 million from us persay, but yeah.
                      Mood: WOOF!

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                      • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                        I'm confused, the OP has to do with Bowe's numbers.
                        I should have rather said, the original reply that spawned this line of discussion.

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                        • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                          I should have rather said, the original reply that spawned this line of discussion.
                          Tomorrow, I'm going to the County Court Clerk to change my middle name to Confused
                          “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                          • We just got rid of a diva...don't need another one blooming. Bye Cruz! Make us an offer Rams...

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                            • The Giants make an offer and Cruz's side will make a counter offer....
                              They will ultimatley meet somewhere in the middle of the two sides ideals.
                              WTF is so hard to understand about that????
                              Its how negotiations are done.........
                              "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                              You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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                              • Originally posted by ELI_Iz_God View Post
                                We just got rid of a diva...don't need another one blooming. Bye Cruz! Make us an offer Rams...
                                yeah Cruz is a diva,.......please
                                "Measure Twice......Cut Once"
                                You couldn't be more full of **** if you were break dancing in a Port-a-Potty.......Kruunch

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