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  • Originally posted by Drez View Post
    We won't sign him for $10m+/yr.
    +1
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
      If the Giants "overpay him" whose fault is that? If you don't see the hatred, you're not reading along.
      Of course it would be their fault but this is a message board. Was just saying if that's what he wants they should let him go. Hopefully they would cut ties at that point. Don't have to hope, they would because they can't afford that and don't think Reese would do it anyway.

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      • Originally posted by Buddy333 View Post
        Of course it would be their fault but this is a message board. Was just saying if that's what he wants they should let him go. Hopefully they would cut ties at that point. Don't have to hope, they would because they can't afford that and don't think Reese would do it anyway.
        Do you think Cruz is talented?
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        • Nicks will be asking for more if he gets it.


          Rudy was my side chick.

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          • Originally posted by Drystt View Post
            Nicks will be asking for more if he gets it.
            Nicks will be asking for more no matter what Cruz does.
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
              Nicks will be asking for more no matter what Cruz does.
              nicks is going to have problems getting more as well. he better show he can play a healthy 16 games or pretty darn close. no way they pay "#1" money to him with out this.

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              • Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                nicks is going to have problems getting more as well. he better show he can play a healthy 16 games or pretty darn close. no way they pay "#1" money to him with out this.
                Let's forget the contract for a moment. Suppose Cruz is the most productive receiver for Eli for the third year in a row? Which receiver is the one to keep if you can only keep one? Granted, we don't know what Randle of the others might do to alter things, but of the two, who would you be more inclined to keep?
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                • I hope this is all media speculation because in reality, nobody knows what Victor Cruz wants. I hope he will play for what we offered him. No reason to be greedy if you already have a TON of endorsement money.
                  2017 Mock Draft

                  1st: Forrest Lamp, OG Western Kentucky
                  2nd: Caleb Brantley, DT Florida
                  3rd: Gerald Everett, TE South Alabama
                  4th: Dont'a Foreman, RB Texas
                  5th: Damontae Kazee, CB San Diego State
                  6th: KD Cannon, WR Baylor
                  7th: Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB Tennessee

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                  • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                    Let's forget the contract for a moment. Suppose Cruz is the most productive receiver for Eli for the third year in a row? Which receiver is the one to keep if you can only keep one? Granted, we don't know what Randle of the others might do to alter things, but of the two, who would you be more inclined to keep?
                    lol..I just said the same thing in the draft section. it is quite the conundrum. cruz,,only because of the injury factor,,but I admit it would kill me to let either go.

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                    • Originally posted by Sean Montemayor View Post
                      I hope this is all media speculation because in reality, nobody knows what Victor Cruz wants. I hope he will play for what we offered him. No reason to be greedy if you already have a TON of endorsement money.
                      You have to separate the football finances from the non-football finances. Do you think they short changed Eli because of his endorsements?
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                        lol..I just said the same thing in the draft section. it is quite the conundrum. cruz,,only because of the injury factor,,but I admit it would kill me to let either go.
                        I try to stay away from the numbering of players and just look at performance. I honestly don't think it has to be "either/or." The organization wants to contend and having Eli, Nicks, and Cruz on the team gives us a better chance than not. Reese is making moves now to to make future CAP space available. But I would bet he's looking to see which receiver of the two is the more productive, among other things, in 2013 to have some additional leverage over one of them
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                          You have to separate the football finances from the non-football finances. Do you think they short changed Eli because of his endorsements?
                          Don't you think $21 mil. guaranteed is more than fair for a slot receiver? I expected the "long term deal" to be longer, but we know how that turned out. As soon as Amendola and Welker got paid, I expected Cruz to bite. Apparently we're using the wrong kind of bait.
                          2017 Mock Draft

                          1st: Forrest Lamp, OG Western Kentucky
                          2nd: Caleb Brantley, DT Florida
                          3rd: Gerald Everett, TE South Alabama
                          4th: Dont'a Foreman, RB Texas
                          5th: Damontae Kazee, CB San Diego State
                          6th: KD Cannon, WR Baylor
                          7th: Jalen Reeves-Maybin, LB Tennessee

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                          • Originally posted by Sean Montemayor View Post
                            Don't you think $21 mil. guaranteed is more than fair for a slot receiver? I expected the "long term deal" to be longer, but we know how that turned out. As soon as Amendola and Welker got paid, I expected Cruz to bite. Apparently we're using the wrong kind of bait.
                            I don't know that's the actual number on the guarantee. But we are making a lot of assumptions with very little factual information. What matters in the end is the agreed upon terms of the contract. If, as everyone here says, including me, Reese won't overpay, what are we all worrying a bout?
                            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                            • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                              I try to stay away from the numbering of players and just look at performance. I honestly don't think it has to be "either/or." The organization wants to contend and having Eli, Nicks, and Cruz on the team gives us a better chance than not. Reese is making moves now to to make future CAP space available. But I would bet he's looking to see which receiver of the two is the more productive, among other things, in 2013 to have some additional leverage over one of them
                              good point,,I would have to say that guy very well could be nicks if he gets bitten by the injury bug again. cruz is very durable and productive, a good problem to have. Having them both would be sweet.

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                              • Originally posted by ELI_HOF_NYG View Post
                                good point,,I would have to say that guy very well could be nicks if he gets bitten by the injury bug again. cruz is very durable and productive, a good problem to have. Having them both would be sweet.
                                I obviously don't know the answer. BUT, if I were Reese, that would be something I'd want to see before I cut either of them loose. Let's also suppose they both have better than average seasons with Nicks playing in every game. If we have already signed Cruz long term in 2013, we can also sign Nicks in 2014
                                “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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