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  • Carter.525
    started a topic Cruz wants Dwayne Bowe $$$

    Cruz wants Dwayne Bowe $$$

    Restricted free agent Victor Cruz was reportedly asking for $10M-$11M per year from the Giants while with his old agency.
    The Giants previously offered a long-term deal worth $7M annually and $20M guaranteed, so the two sides were far apart. It's unclear exaclty what Jay-Z and Cruz's new representation will ask for, but we can bet they won't be handing out any discounts. Cruz appears to be seeking a similar contract to the five-year, $56 million deal Dwayne Bowe got from the Chiefs a month ago.
    Source: New York Daily News

  • giantsfan420
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    Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
    She cited a highlight tape. A tape that puts an emphasis on tremendous individual efforts, an exception that I've reiterated numerous times in my argument.

    Do you wholeheartedly agree with Rudyy's assertions?
    dude, ur asking for it now lol. pretty sure he jumped in late and isn't going to understand anyones assertions while subjugating them to his omnipotent opinion. the way he describes his point while incorrectly referencing a claim Rudy didn't make pretty much makes that clear to me at least...seeing as how he acknowledges the qb has a role in a WRs YAC, which is not Rudys stance.

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  • giantsfan420
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    Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
    The video was cited in order to prove that there are a lot of plays where cruz gains yards after the catch independently of the QB. Hence the reason Rudy brought up the idea that cruz makes guys miss or breaks tackles. Its not because she is confused about yards per catch vs yards after contact, but because breaking tackles puts a great emphasis on the fact Eli has little to do with how much yards cruz gains after the catch on certain plays.
    twice, as in 2 plays(one really) is a lot? ok

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  • gmen0820
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    Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
    The video was cited in order to prove that there are a lot of plays where cruz gains yards after the catch independently of the QB. Hence the reason Rudy brought up the idea that cruz makes guys miss or breaks tackles. Its not because she is confused about yards per catch vs yards after contact, but because breaking tackles puts a great emphasis on the fact Eli has little to do with how much yards cruz gains after the catch on certain plays.
    She cited a highlight tape. A tape that puts an emphasis on tremendous individual efforts, an exception that I've reiterated numerous times in my argument.

    Do you wholeheartedly agree with Rudyy's assertions?

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  • Marvelousmik
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    The video was cited in order to prove that there are a lot of plays where cruz gains yards after the catch independently of the QB. Hence the reason Rudy brought up the idea that cruz makes guys miss or breaks tackles. Its not because she is confused about yards per catch vs yards after contact, but because breaking tackles puts a great emphasis on the fact Eli has little to do with how much yards cruz gains after the catch on certain plays.

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  • Marvelousmik
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    Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
    just look at the opening clip. that was the example i was citing. if the pass is underthrown there, does cruz score a TD? if the pass is thrown high and forced Cruz to make a 1 handed acrobatic diving catch, does he score a TD there?
    Does the fact the ball is thrown into Cruz's gut/numbers in stride on the fly really not register as having to be necessary for Cruz to break that one?
    If cruz is standing still and the ball is thrown right to the numbers on his jersey, then the ball is thrown into his gut. However, if cruz is moving, like he was on that play, then the ball is thrown to an area and cruz has to run to it. The Qb obviously plays a role in how much Yac the receiver has depending on the play. But i think Yac is mostly credited to the receiver and it involves a combination of how fast, elusive, quick, or strong the runner is. if cruz wasn't as fast as he was on that play, he could have gotten caught from behind or he wouldnt have caught up to the pass.
    Last edited by Marvelousmik; 04-07-2013, 06:18 PM.

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  • Roosevelt
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    Originally posted by FBomb View Post
    lol.

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  • ALLnygIN
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    Originally posted by egyptian420 View Post
    LMAO!

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  • Rudy
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    Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
    I told you that I've made exceptions for heroic efforts. First, you dispute it by overlooking those exceptions, and just recently you've gone as far as to dispute the term "heroic." Again, you're citing clips from a Victor Cruz highlight tape to make your point that he makes all the YAC-magic take place. Two words: Confirmation, Bias.

    And I question your coherence because you've contradicted yourself, and have changed your stance throughout the course of the debate.
    Ok. You're right, I'm wrong. Forever and always Amen.

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  • gmen0820
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    Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    I've posted many others, but your stubbornness won't allow you to accept that I have a difference of opinion, which I've stated from the beginning. I've even stated that today is a passive aggressive Sunday and would like to just agree to disagree and you STILL wouldn't let it go.

    If you didn't want to hear my "Incoherent" ramblings, you should have just let it go. I was ready to.
    I told you that I've made exceptions for heroic efforts. First, you dispute it by overlooking those exceptions, and just recently you've gone as far as to dispute the term "heroic." Again, you're citing clips from a Victor Cruz highlight tape to make your point that he makes all the YAC-magic take place. Two words: Confirmation, Bias.

    And I question your coherence because you've contradicted yourself, and have changed your stance throughout the course of the debate.

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  • Rudy
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    Originally posted by Drez View Post
    You do realize that YAC is Yards After Catch, not Yards After Contact.
    I know.

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  • Drez
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    Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    Well if you look at the video, there are two plays that stood out to me where Cruz broke tackles. They weren't 99 yarders or what not, but simple passes being thrown and the receiver doing the little things. That is what I'm talking about..
    You do realize that YAC is Yards After Catch, not Yards After Contact.

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  • Rudy
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    Originally posted by giantsfan420 View Post
    and that clip is perfect for what we're saying. u pointed to 2 plays. almost every other play where cruz gets YAC, u hear the commentators talk about Eli hitting him in stride. Cruz def has the ability to make something out of nothing, no one can say otherwise tho that is true. but the majority of the time, the QB is crucial in terms of setting the WR up to gain YAC

    edit: thanks for the link, i love watchin eli n cruz play together
    K.

    And you're welcome. Nick A has awesome videos.

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