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  • Originally posted by Drez View Post
    And even further, now that Cruz' star is already made, it doesn't really matter where he plays so long as he continues to play at a high level.
    If he goes to a team that does not get the game of the week, Sunday and Monday nights he will just be a blip on ESPN and be a forgotten man, no exposure, no deals.
    Forget the Past, Live for the Future!

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    • Originally posted by Joe Morrison View Post
      Sometimes you have to just go with common sense, you either have it or you don't, sorry, reality can be tuff.
      Meaning that you have nothing but an unsupported reference to one player who played 40 years ago.

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      • Cruz has special talent

        He is Wes Welker but younger and more explosive. He is also able to catch jump balls which Welker does not. Player who get more targets are going to have more drops. Did he have a high drop percentage? How many key drops has Welker had over the years, but he is still considered amazing, which he is.

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        • Originally posted by Hooligans View Post
          Victor Cruz is no different than Deion Branch......Branch was great back in the early 2000's and after a great Super Bowl (Branvh was MVP of the Super Bowl), he thought he was worth much more than the Pats were offering, so he went to Seattle.......and became a nobody......playing with Brady makes ANY receiver look much better than he might be......same thing with Cruz and Eli.......when Cruz leaves he will most likely go to a team with a lesser QB.......and his numbers will drop like a rock.
          So playing with Brady is like playing with Eli... Cruz is better than Branch.
          Because of all of the effort and examination being poured into these predictions, the draft is a robust market that, in the aggregate, does a good job of sorting prospects from top to bottom.1 Yet despite so many people trying to “beat the market,” no single actor can do it consistently. Abnormal returns are likely due to luck, not skill. But that hasn’t stopped NFL executives from behaving with the confidence of traders.

          http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/...eat-the-draft/

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          • Originally posted by GiantsInSB38 View Post
            He is Wes Welker but younger and more explosive. He is also able to catch jump balls which Welker does not. Player who get more targets are going to have more drops. Did he have a high drop percentage? How many key drops has Welker had over the years, but he is still considered amazing, which he is.
            10+ drops is high regardless of the number of targets. Cruz had several drops that would have resulted in first downs last year.

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            • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
              Let me tell you the real difference between Victor Cruz and Wes Welker.
              Cruz makes plays in huge spots and Welker has had two HUGE drops in the past two years. One cost them a SB chamionship and the other a few months ago changed the AFC chamionship game around and could have been the turning point to prevent the Pats from getting to another SB.

              The real reason the Pats made a luke warm effort to keep Welker was that they were sick of his failure to make the play when they needed it.

              Cruz on the other hand, made the biggest play of the 2011 season and we would not have won a SB without it. He then went on to have a huge day in the NFC championship game.
              Best post in the thread.

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              • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                10+ drops is high regardless of the number of targets. Cruz had several drops that would have resulted in first downs last year.
                2012 stats

                Wes Welker 15 drops/166 targets 9%
                Calvin Johnson 15 drops/199 targets 7.5%
                Victor Cruz 12 drops/137 targets 8.7%

                8.7% is a little high, but at age 27 he has a lot of upside and I expect the drop % to come down.
                Last edited by moosedrool; 04-09-2013, 07:12 PM.

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                • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                  2012 stats

                  Wes Welker 15 drops/166 targets 9%
                  Calvin Johnson 15 drops/199 targets 7.5%
                  Victor Cruz 12 drops/137 targets 8.7%

                  8.7% is a little high, but at age 27 he has a lot of upside and I expect the drop % to come down.
                  It is a high number and the second consecutive season with 10+ drops.

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                  • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                    It is a high number and the second consecutive season with 10+ drops.
                    You're a high number and a second consecutive season with 10+ drops.






                    Cruzzy needs to pay attention.
                    Mood: WOOF!

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                    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                      It is a high number and the second consecutive season with 10+ drops.
                      For a second year starting WR it's not. Calvin Johnson in his second year had 13 drops in 147 targets (8.8%).

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                      • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                        For a second year starting WR it's not. Calvin Johnson in his second year had 13 drops in 147 targets (8.8%).
                        Yes, it is a lot. And Johnson was 24 when he was in his second year, not 26 as Cruz was.

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                        • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                          Yes, it is a lot. And Johnson was 24 when he was in his second year, not 26 as Cruz was.
                          Not to mention how vastly superior to Cruz that Megatron is in every aspect of the game.

                          Well, to anyone in the game.
                          My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                          • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                            Not to mention how vastly superior to Cruz that Megatron is in every aspect of the game.

                            Well, to anyone in the game.
                            I was trying not to take it there, lol. I did write something similar, too, then edited it out.

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                            • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                              I was trying not to take it there, lol. I did write something similar, too, then edited it out.
                              Oh yes, can't give another receiver props.

                              Unless we're Nazi loving, racist, Cruz haters.
                              My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                              • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
                                Oh yes, can't give another receiver props.

                                Unless we're Nazi loving, racist, Cruz haters.
                                lol

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