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  • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
    Not to mention how vastly superior to Cruz that Megatron is in every aspect of the game.

    Well, to anyone in the game.
    That's why I brought up Johnson's 13 drops in his 2nd year. If the best WR in the game dropped that many in his second year, Cruz dropping about the same in his 2nd year is an overblown issue.

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    • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
      2012 stats

      Wes Welker 15 drops/166 targets 9%
      Calvin Johnson 15 drops/199 targets 7.5%
      Victor Cruz 12 drops/137 targets 8.7%

      8.7% is a little high, but at age 27 he has a lot of upside and I expect the drop % to come down.

      Cruz needs to cut that number in half
      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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      • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
        That's why I brought up Johnson's 13 drops in his 2nd year. If the best WR in the game dropped that many in his second year, Cruz dropping about the same in his 2nd year is an overblown issue.
        Tell me about Calvin's rookie season.

        In 2007.
        My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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        • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
          That's why I brought up Johnson's 13 drops in his 2nd year. If the best WR in the game dropped that many in his second year, Cruz dropping about the same in his 2nd year is an overblown issue.
          Except that Johnson was significantly younger (meaning less mature, less set in his ways, easier to coach). He was 3 years younger than Cruz than Cruz is now. That is significant.

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          • Originally posted by gmen0820 View Post
            Tell me about Calvin's rookie season.

            In 2007.
            Instead of asking me, why don't YOU tell me about Cruz rookie season and add the value to the thread.

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            • Originally posted by Drez View Post
              Except that Johnson was significantly younger (meaning less mature, less set in his ways, easier to coach). He was 3 years younger than Cruz than Cruz is now. That is significant.
              Let's hope the coaching staff can help Victor perform better.
              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                Let's hope the coaching staff can help Victor perform better.
                And most of it is really a focus issue, which considering his past, I unfortunately think may plague him to one degree or another throughout his career.

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                • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                  Instead of asking me, why don't YOU tell me about Cruz rookie season and add the value to the thread.
                  The one where he was on IR, or his second year in the NFL where he also dropped 10+ passes.

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                  • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                    Instead of asking me, why don't YOU tell me about Cruz rookie season and add the value to the thread.
                    I assumed since you were showing drop stats, you could tell me Calvin's rookie drop stats. Maybe Welker's too, in 2007.
                    My body was sculpted to the proportions of Michelangelo's David.

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                    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                      Except that Johnson was significantly younger (meaning less mature, less set in his ways, easier to coach). He was 3 years younger than Cruz than Cruz is now. That is significant.
                      Calvin Johnson dropped 14 passes last year (age 27) in 199 targets. It's a negative for all receivers in the 7%-9% drop rate range, but people bring up it up as a major negative, and it's not.

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                      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                        And most of it is really a focus issue, which considering his past, I unfortunately think may plague him to one degree or another throughout his career.
                        Meaning he's uncoachable?
                        “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                        • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                          Calvin Johnson dropped 14 passes last year in 199 targets. It's a negative for all receivers in the 7%-9% drop rate range, but people bring up it up as a major negative, and it's not.
                          Those drops are more forgivable when you set the all time receiving yards record and are essentially the only offensive weapon on the team.

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                          • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                            Meaning he's uncoachable?
                            Not that he's uncoachable, per se, but just prone to lapses in focus.

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                            • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                              Not that he's uncoachable, per se, but just prone to lapses in focus.
                              I seem to recall a very talented RB named Tiki Barber who was a fumbling machine learning to not be one through coaching.

                              Call me the eternal optimist, but I believe people can learn and improve. Cruz has had pretty good positive numbers for the two years he's played. He has been Eli's most productive receiver. Imagine if he can cut his drops in half?

                              Not uncoachable with the qualifier "per se" = uncoachable
                              “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                              • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                                I seem to recall a very talented RB named Tiki Barber who was a fumbling machine learning to not be one through coaching.

                                Call me the eternal optimist, but I believe people can learn and improve. Cruz has had pretty good positive numbers for the two years he's played. He has been Eli's most productive receiver. Imagine if he can cut his drops in half?
                                Barber's issue was a mechanical one, though, not a mental one. Cruz, even off the field, has shown lapses in focus (his academic troubles, etc.). Sure the coaches can do what they can, and hopefully that will help cut down on the problem, but there's only so much they can do.

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