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  • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
    Except a lot of those drops he was WIDE OPEN or had the ball in his hands, and he drops it.
    Drops are drops, no?
    “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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    • Originally posted by Drez View Post
      So, just because the other "cool" kids are doing heroin means you should, too?
      Awful analogy, and it has nothing to do with the topic.

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      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
        So, having double digit drops in both seasons as a starting WR is acceptable?
        When you get as many targets as Cruz does, yes. It's not about number of drops. It's about drop percentage. and Cruz drop percentage is in line with all the guys I listed in my previous posts.

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        • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
          Drops are drops, no?
          Yes, but no. Dropping a contested pass even though you got both hands on the football, diving for a catch and missing it, getting only 1 foot in bounce on a catch, dropping a pass that is thrown too high or too low or behind you are all understandable. Once in awhile dropping a wide open uncontested pass is understandable.

          Consistently dropping the football because you take your eyes off of the ball is a problem. Its not a huge problem but its something that needs to be worked on and can be easily prevented.
          Last edited by Marvelousmik; 04-10-2013, 05:38 PM.
          Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

          ~Big Mike~

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          • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
            Yes, but no. Dropping a contested pass even though you got both hands on the football, diving for a catch and missing it, getting only 1 foot in bounce on a catch, dropping a pass that is thrown too high or too low or behind you are all understandable. Once in awhile dropping a wide open uncontested pass is understandable.

            Consistently dropping the football because you take your eyes off of the ball is a problem.
            I have said that all along. But, as with Eli's inconsistency at times, I prefer not to focus on Cruz's drops as both of their upsides far outweigh the negatives.
            “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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            • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
              Awful analogy, and it has nothing to do with the topic.
              How does it not? You're saying all the other "cool" receivers are dropping passes, so it's okay for Cruz to drop passes, too.

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              • Originally posted by Marvelousmik View Post
                Yes, but no. Dropping a contested pass even though you got both hands on the football, diving for a catch and missing it, getting only 1 foot in bounce on a catch, dropping a pass that is thrown too high or too low or behind you are all understandable. Once in awhile dropping a wide open uncontested pass is understandable.

                Consistently dropping the football because you take your eyes off of the ball is a problem. Its not a huge problem but its something that needs to be worked on and can be easily prevented.
                You guys and your dropped passes. Its a way overrated stat.

                Every receiver drops passes. Every WR drops passes when they are wide open. I would suggest that tends to be the time when most drops happen. Jerry Rice dropped passes. TO led the league more than once in dropped passes and he's going to the HOF. Its a preoccupation with a meaningless fact.

                When you catch as many balls and get as many targets as Victor Cruz you are going to drop passes. These guys aren't machines for God's sake,
                Guys who don't get open, guys who don't make plays, guys who don't get the balls thrown to them in big spots, NEVER lead the league in drops.
                Admit nothing. Deny everything. Make counter accusations.

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                • Originally posted by RoanokeFan View Post
                  Drops are drops, no?
                  Sure, drops are drops. Every receiver has drops. Not every receiver leads the league in drops 2 years in a row either. Not knocking Cruz (I love my hubby). Just something he needs to work on.
                  Mood: WOOF!

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                  • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                    You guys and your dropped passes. Its a way overrated stat.



                    Ive never looked at stats for drops. I dont even know where you find it. All i'm saying is, consistently dropping passes because you're more focused on making a play after the catch is something that cruz needs to work on. If Jerry rice did it then its something that he should have and probably worked on. Kobe Bryant was being compared to Jordan as far back as 7 years ago. Now at the age of 34 he feels he is better now then when he was in his 20's. Thats because he improved on the things he felt he needed to get better at.

                    It doesn't matter who you are. Adrian Peterson and Tiki barber worked on their fumble problems. If Calvin Johnson consistently drops easy passes when he is wide open because he takes his eyes off of the ball, then thats something he should work to improve on also.

                    This is not about stats. Its about an area that cruz needs to improve in.
                    Last edited by Marvelousmik; 04-10-2013, 06:33 PM.
                    Don't take it personal, we're just debating.

                    ~Big Mike~

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                    • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                      Sure, drops are drops. Every receiver has drops. Not every receiver leads the league in drops 2 years in a row either. Not knocking Cruz (I love my hubby). Just something he needs to work on.
                      I actually don't think Cruz "lead the League" in either year, but he's had more than enough drops either way.
                      “Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.” MB Rule # 1

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                      • Originally posted by Drez View Post
                        How does it not? You're saying all the other "cool" receivers are dropping passes, so it's okay for Cruz to drop passes, too.
                        Yes, it's OK for Cruz to drop passes as long as his drop % is in line with the other top WR's in the game. They all do it, it's part of being a highly targeted WR.

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                        • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                          Sure, drops are drops. Every receiver has drops. Not every receiver leads the league in drops 2 years in a row either. Not knocking Cruz (I love my hubby). Just something he needs to work on.
                          Cruz did not lead the league in drops last year or in 2011.

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                          • Originally posted by Morehead State View Post
                            You guys and your dropped passes. Its a way overrated stat.

                            Every receiver drops passes. Every WR drops passes when they are wide open. I would suggest that tends to be the time when most drops happen. Jerry Rice dropped passes. TO led the league more than once in dropped passes and he's going to the HOF. Its a preoccupation with a meaningless fact.

                            When you catch as many balls and get as many targets as Victor Cruz you are going to drop passes. These guys aren't machines for God's sake,
                            Guys who don't get open, guys who don't make plays, guys who don't get the balls thrown to them in big spots, NEVER lead the league in drops.
                            Someone in the nfl who had a lot of catches made it the entire year without a drop. (eagles maybe)
                            Just remember Kevin Love makes more money then OBJ, and OBJ also dunks better.

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                            • Originally posted by moosedrool View Post
                              Cruz did not lead the league in drops last year or in 2011.
                              Wasn't he 2nd or 3rd on that list however? Still pretty high.
                              Mood: WOOF!

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                              • Originally posted by Rudyy View Post
                                Wasn't he 2nd or 3rd on that list however? Still pretty high.
                                Rudyy disregard drop count. Drop % is what matters.

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